Shriver writes about rage, exclusion and violence

Dirigent

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Here's a very prescient article from a formidable writer. Shriver makes some withering comments about society and the increasing incidence of violence and rage which arises because people feel excluded. She suggests the behaviours which are motivated by this range from some who make bombs and kill to others who spray bile on the internet. I'm sure many of us have already experienced the latter (particularly in newspaper comments sections!) and never wish to experience the former!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...shall-not-yield-to-those-powered-by-hate.html
 
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teddy

Duckmeister
At least in America you know how to deal with the sort of scum who carry out act such as this. In England we give them a house to live in and a better income than a lot of people earn by the sweat of their brow. I am sometimes ashamed to be English

teddy
 

Dirigent

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At least in America you know how to deal with the sort of scum who carry out act such as this. In England we give them a house to live in and a better income than a lot of people earn by the sweat of their brow. I am sometimes ashamed to be English

teddy

I hope that isn't the case!! Without wanting to offend you in any way, may I say that I have absolutely no desire to visit your country as it's gone downhill since I was there in the 1970's and I just wouldn't recognize the place any more. Many people I know, who've travelled there in the last years, have said the same thing. Gone to the dogs, London over-populated, not clean, many people don't speak English.... sorry, it just isn't attractive to many of us these days. I speak here about the cities, by the way, not the rural areas.

It's important to remember that although we think of our systems of government as 'democratic', these are really run by pressure groups and special interest minorities.
 
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wljmrbill

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Dirigent :Amen and the Republicans of which I was one for years:but not last years....make me very ashamed of our system lately..not for the people but for big business interest/self interest again.. Glad I am old.
 

JHC

Chief assistant to the assistant chief
It's important to remember that although we think of our systems of government as 'democratic', these are really run by pressure groups and special interest minorities.

They always have been ever since Adam was a cowboy Democracy, communism, dictatorships, royalty none of these proved satisfactory so what do you suggest Dirigent any ideas? :)
 

Dirigent

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I don't have any magic formula. I just like to invoke Voltaire: "the price of liberty is ETERNAL vigilance". That means, everybody read the paper, keep abreast of events and HAVE YOUR SAY. Turn out on polling day and make sure your voice is heard. Also, if you don't like the way things are run DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT YOURSELF. Easier said than done? Myself and a few other people made significant changes in our State because of the fact that we sprang into action and we hired a professional lobbyist ourselves!! These advocates of immigration, same-sex marriage and every other marginal issue just keep plugging away and they've usually got a vocal minority of well-educated people who are willing to put their gobs into a megaphone!! Every day - day in/day out. To them democracy is "my way or the high-way".
 
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teddy

Duckmeister
Here here. The bleeding heart liberals have inveigled there way into all aspects of our society, spilling their bile over everyone and labelling anyone who disagrees with them a racist or bigot. England is becoming the sewer of the world where any scum can come, and stay and be financially supported by us, even the ones planning to kill us. It made my heart leap to see the way the police in Boston dealt with the bombers but of course the insidious infiltrations are harder to deal with. Plus over here we have the EU making and enforcing our laws. If they believe that terrorists have human rights, let them live in Brussels. I would send them all to America. They know what maximum security means there.

teddy
 

JHC

Chief assistant to the assistant chief
You must admit that the surveillance cameras do a good job I personally don't mind them filming me it is a small price to pay for some form of deterrent.
 

Dirigent

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Here here. The bleeding heart liberals have inveigled there way into all aspects of our society, spilling their bile over everyone and labelling anyone who disagrees with them a racist or bigot. England is becoming the sewer of the world where any scum can come, and stay and be financially supported by us, even the ones planning to kill us. It made my heart leap to see the way the police in Boston dealt with the bombers but of course the insidious infiltrations are harder to deal with. Plus over here we have the EU making and enforcing our laws. If they believe that terrorists have human rights, let them live in Brussels. I would send them all to America. They know what maximum security means there.

teddy

There's a fair bit of anger in your comments here. I suspect that Shriver has tapped into those kinds of sentiments and frustrations with her original article - people feel disenfranchised when they perceive minority groups running the place and when they perceive that 'liberalism' has let them down and actually made them feel more unsafe. We should be very fearful of fundamentalist ideologues, no matter what the persuasion, who want us all to do things THEY deem 'good' for us all. It is fundamentalism which brings us the social disruption of 'everybody has human rights' and the bleeding hearts themselves seem satisfied to let other people die in the interests of their own progressivist social agenda of absolute freedom and incontestable 'rights'. (Seems to me I've heard that message somewhere before - somebody dying for others.) We never hear from them that there might, indeed, be the need for a "review", a 'tweaking' at the margins, of the way things work when dreadful things happen!!

Most of the time all we get is the usual leftist cant about people being the 'victims' of the system and, therefore, less responsible. Most of their arguments are framed within a 'them' and 'us' axis, from a victim mindset, which is actually more divisive than the 'system' they perceive as owing them so much. Egro the bleeding heart. I saw it in an assistant principal at my last school. The teachers tried to effectively discipline particular students (i.e. making them society and job-ready!) and he took up their cause because he had 'suffered' economic deprivation just as they had and, therefore, he tried to administer the 'system' from his own conflicted position as a 'victim' of it. One day at lunch he tried to tell me all about how he admired Chavez because he stood up to George Bush. I didn't say much except, "well, who'd have thought?" I didn't wanted to lose my long-term casual position at the school by disagreeing with him. (I did anyway, when he came to our beautiful, big home in a fancy street for Xmas drinks. Big mistake! As Shakespeare said, "a man may smile and smile and be a villain". Consequently, he's the Principal of that school now!!)

As usual, it's the silent majority of hard-working people who want to live their lives the best way they can. To raise their children with values - but, unfortunately, many or most of these values are constantly undermined by the very social behaviours they are meant to civilize. Today the default position is "I" - my rights, my needs, my entitlements. That toxic first person pronoun which probably does more to destroy community values than any other single factor. Recommended reading: "The Culture of Narcissism: American Life in An Age of Diminishing Expectations", Christopher Lasch.

Lesson over.
 
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JHC

Chief assistant to the assistant chief
I suspect that Shriver has tapped into those kinds of sentiments and frustrations with her original article -.
Is Shriver a woman? I think we have to learn to live with this sort of terrorism after all it has been going on for centuries and in the end how on earth can you fight small groups of fanatics?
 

John Watt

Member
Try living almost within eyesight of the American border,
where the two biggest cities, Niagara Falls and Fort Erie,
sometimes have more Americans walking around than Canadians.
All the extra security only takes away funding from public institutions.
They had to close one of two Niagara Falls bridges because they couldn't afford extra security for both.
You can imagine the traffic jams and the mood they're in before they step on you,
er, step out.
 
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