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    Is there anybody there, said the traveller...

    I quote from a poem The Listeners by Walter de la Mare. A mysterious horseman calls at a house that he'd promised to visit, but there's no reply, though he senses that there are ghosts listening.

    The poem concludes -
    ....he suddenly smote on the door, even
    Louder, and lifted his head:—

    ‘Tell them I came, and no one answered,
    That I kept my word,’ he said.
    Never the least stir made the listeners,
    Though every word he spake
    Fell echoing through the shadowiness of the still house
    From the one man left awake:
    Ay, they heard his foot upon the stirrup,
    And the sound of iron on stone,
    And how the silence surged softly backward,
    When the plunging hoofs were gone.


    That's how I feel about MIMF. There are three or four of us who post regularly (though not, alas, always relevantly), but is there anyone reading?

    If not, it's just silly, really, isn't it - and the kindest thing to do might be to let the forum die.
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    And I'm also the new member who has a right to my own opinion, and to post it too.

    I don't have a prediction for how long I shall continue posting, no.

    I joined hoping to keep it going - I'm just raising the question of whether it's worth it if nobody is reading it.

    I would think it is, so long as a) people post considerately of the thread title and are not self indulgent and b) there are readers out there, and they could make that fact known.

    Have a nice day, John Watt.
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    Posts which are verbose and not relevant to the thread question are not actually very attractive to people wondering about joining - in my opinion.

    There's one new member - I shan't mention names, but s/he has joined very recently - who is to be commended for pithy posts which have bumped some interesting threads. The posts are always relevant and often provide some very pertinent links.

    That's what we need to revive the forum - new blood, which proves that somebody was reading and wanted to join - see my thread title.
    And new posts which carry discussions forward.

    So well done, that new member - if you're still here, and haven't been put off, then you know who you are.
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    Getting old members back would be another good way to keep MIMF going.
    However, they're probably members of the sister forum or of other music forums online.

    Still, it is probably a good idea to post on the threads they started, and post in a constructive way that pays tribute to the OP.

    Come back, former members - we need you!
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    Since I started this thread, nobody has made it known that they are reading MIMF and nobody has joined as a new member.

    When I look at the list at the bottom of the front page, I am the only one here.

    No conversation is going on here, though plenty of monologues.

    It is plain that the site is 'moribund' as another member put it.

    JHC said on another thread that when posters fall below a certain critical mass, music forums are doomed - he saw it happen with another site.

    As the Americans say, go figure.
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    This site still has historic value for those who are interested in the specialist forums, particularly Pipe Organ & Progressive Rock.

    Progressive Rock has seen some constructive activity lately, which I'm glad to see.

    While MIMF remains, I shall read and post on it, as courteously and relevantly as possible, ignoring ill-mannered remarks, but happy to engage with anybody who posts in a civil and pertinent manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Watt View Post
    That's just me, and if you want to leave me alone with that, it's up to you.
    I'm not ignorant, but I am ignorable.
    Thank you.
    I have decided to do as you suggest, if you will leave me alone in your turn.

    I'm pleased to have found this passage in the Terms and Conditions of MIMF, which should give some reassurance to anybody thinking of joining this forum.

    Guidelines for General Behavior
    Be polite to your fellow members. If you disagree with them, please state your opinion in a »civil« and respectful manner.
    Do not post comments about other members person or »posting style« on the forum (unless said comments are unmistakably positive). Argue opinions all you like but do not get personal and never resort to »ad homs«.
    If you have any complaints about other users or their posts, contact the staff directly (by private message) or use the »report post« function.
    If in doubt about any of these guidelines - or generally if you need help with anything on this board - you can always send a PM (private message) to a member of the staff, or use the contact form.
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    Nice to see a long-standing member posting this morning with some lovely listening suggestions.
    Maybe there is hope for the site yet.
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    Talk Classical, the other Magle site seems to be going quite well. One of its main advantages is the like button. This allows people to indicate that they have read a post (whether they agree or not) and means that discussions don't get cluttered up with posts of simple agreement. It would be nice to have something like that here.
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    I started the thread because of a poem - 'The Listeners' by Walter de la Mare reminded me of the situation at MIMF.

    Here's another poem that reminds me - a Shakespearean sonnet by the Elizabethan poet Michael Drayton - and this one hints at the possibility of recovery.

    Since there’s no help, come let us kiss and part


    BY MICHAEL DRAYTON

    Since there’s no help, come let us kiss and part.
    Nay, I have done, you get no more of me;
    And I am glad, yea glad with all my heart,
    That thus so cleanly I myself can free.
    Shake hands for ever, cancel all our vows,
    And when we meet at any time again,
    Be it not seen in either of our brows
    That we one jot of former love retain.
    Now at the last gasp of Love’s latest breath,
    When, his pulse failing, Passion speechless lies;
    When Faith is kneeling by his bed of death,
    And Innocence is closing up his eyes—
    Now, if thou wouldst, when all have given him over,
    From death to life thou might’st him yet recover!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taggart View Post
    Talk Classical, the other Magle site seems to be going quite well. One of its main advantages is the like button. This allows people to indicate that they have read a post (whether they agree or not) and means that discussions don't get cluttered up with posts of simple agreement. It would be nice to have something like that here.

    I don't think that's likely to be installed now - but as you may know (I use a different user-name), I also have been a member of TC (for a few years now) and I agree that it's a handy facility.
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    A few more people have appeared on MIMF in the last few weeks, which is great.

    Still, here's another set of words - lyrics to a song - which remind me of the current situation.
    'There ain't nobody here but us chickens' - because there still aren't very many of us.

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    Verses that I hope won't remind me of MIMF for too much longer - from the Old English (Anglo-Saxon) poem 'The Ruin' -

    Beorht wæron burgræced, burnsele monige,
    heah horngestreon, heresweg micel,
    meodoheall monig mondreama full,
    oþþæt þæt onwende wyrd seo swiþe.
    Crungon walo wide, cwoman woldagas,
    swylt eall fornom secgrofra wera;
    wurdon hyra wigsteal westen staþolas,
    brosnade burgsteall. Betend crungon
    hergas to hrusan. Forþon þas hofu dreorgiað,
    ond þæs teaforgeapa tigelum sceadeð
    hrostbeages hrof. Hryre wong gecrong
    gebrocen to beorgum, þær iu beorn monig
    glædmod ond goldbeorht gleoma gefrætwed,
    wlonc ond wingal wighyrstum scan;
    seah on sinc, on sylfor, on searogimmas,
    on ead, on æht, on eorcanstan,
    on þas beorhtan burg bradan rices.


    Bright were the castle buildings, many the bathing-halls,
    high the abundance of gables, great the noise of the multitude,
    many a meadhall full of festivity,
    until Fate the mighty changed that.
    Far and wide the slain perished, days of pestilence came,
    death took all the brave men away;
    their places of war became deserted places,
    the city decayed. The rebuilders perished,
    the armies to earth. And so these buildings grow desolate,
    and this red-curved roof parts from its tiles
    of the ceiling-vault. The ruin has fallen to the ground
    broken into mounds, where at one time many a warrior,
    joyous and ornamented with gold-bright splendour,
    proud and flushed with wine shone in war-trappings;
    looked at treasure, at silver, at precious stones,
    at wealth, at prosperity, at jewellery,
    at this bright castle of a broad kingdom.
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    Another poem about isolation and alone-ness: 'I am' by John Clare.

    I am—yet what I am none cares or knows;
    My friends forsake me like a memory lost:
    I am the self-consumer of my woes—
    They rise and vanish in oblivious host,
    Like shadows in love’s frenzied stifled throes
    And yet I am, and live—like vapours tossed

    Into the nothingness of scorn and noise,
    Into the living sea of waking dreams,
    Where there is neither sense of life or joys,
    But the vast shipwreck of my life’s esteems;
    Even the dearest that I loved the best
    Are strange—nay, rather, stranger than the rest.

    I long for scenes where man hath never trod
    A place where woman never smiled or wept
    There to abide with my Creator, God,
    And sleep as I in childhood sweetly slept,
    Untroubling and untroubled where I lie
    The grass below—above the vaulted sky.
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    There was a flurry of new posts by different members that got me hopeful for a while, but now we're back to the same old same old...
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