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    This is a request for a new forum for, "Symphonic-Electric".

    Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and rock band fans everywhere.

    This is a cut and paste of some comments I made at the end of a reply,
    being inspired by seeing an "electric guitar orchestra", and rock bands playing with symphonies.
    I see this new genre of musical performance as being worthy of a new forum here.
    Here are my comments, and I hope you agree.
    Please excuse my personal content. I could edit it out,
    because without knowing about the North American and global impact my semi-solid-body has made,
    I might seem a little too fullofmeesimo without any accompaniment.

    Is this what musical civilization is coming to,
    symphonies adding a wild and unpredictable element of amplified sound,
    to their carefully written and rehearsed acoustic instrument performances?
    Are rock band musicians going to start learning to actually read and write music?
    Is the world going to realize that a left-handed person invented stringed instruments,
    and everyone is playing guitars upside-down? I hope so.
    That's all I'm waiting for. Everyone will have to see that John Watt was there all along.
    However, as you can see I know the rock band experience, and saw the first Experience.
    I know what will happen.
    The stage will be set, all the musicians, both symphonic and electric-symphonic,
    will be there. I'll be standing backstage with the worlds' first semi-solid-body guitar,
    just waiting, being as happy as I can be. A bassoonist might even ask me out for a date,
    saying she could take me to her home and introduce me to her parents,
    and show me her rehearsal instrument.
    But then, Frederik Magle could appear, making the backstage crowd grow silent and watch,
    as he comes up to me, asking if he could play my guitar. I could only be flustered,
    and knowing how well-rehearsed he would be, I could only say yes, Master Magle.
    That would be worth starting a new forum here, if only I could.

    Admin it, that's what the forums here need, a new one. Symphonic-Electric.
    The musicians, the performances, the instruments, it's all out there,
    and for me, it would be wonderful if it was in here.
    I must be getting inspired, I'm free-fonting all over the place.
    That would also give me more motivation to finish my first semi-solid-body guitar,
    my symphonic-electric instrument. Four octaves on an ebony fingerboard.
    I'm still trying to imagine everything I can play and the sounds it can make.
    A world-wide precedent for forums. I loved typing that.

    It would be an honour and offer, as a new millennium offering.

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    This must be a good one. The apparition of Nicolo Paganini just appeared before me,
    reaching around my arms, trying to get his fingers on my fingerboard.
    And no, I wasn't playing "Running with the Devil". I don't do that.
    Wait wait! Now Jimi is here, phasing in from wherever he phased out to...
    and he's just sitting there, grooving away, looking real happy... tossing me his pick...
    oh... oh... his Strat is glowing...
    and all the spirits of rock stars who passed away too soon are stacking up behind him...
    and some field Marshalls are there on stand-by... it's a heavenly Woodstock...
    no... no... now they look like some old non-stereo stoned-Henge.
    Where's the concert seating?

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    What we are seeing here on YouTube, as far as rock star guitars being used to play classical music,
    is another evolution of music and the human mind. This is aided and abetted by contemporary technology.
    This is the main thrust of this thread, what music is in your mind that you can play without sheet music.
    Classical music, in terms of symphonies and orchestras, was all about composers writing compositions.
    Classical musicians, in terms of playing music, could either just read music or read music and play spontaneously.
    Learning a composition by using sheet music and playing it often enough to play from memory is another category.

    This human evolution of electric music created more divisions in families than discussions about politics or religion.
    Young people liking rock or psychedelic music angered parents and older people because it was played very loud.
    A complicated composition involving the sounds of many instruments could absorb your attention played quietly,
    but one guitarist, who represented the total output of chordal and solo, had to play loud to fill your attention.
    As far as rock star guitar trios, guitar bass and drums, that's just three musicians competing for your attention.
    This is about the volume, and disputes about volume, being too loud, are still there for any music in public.

    The musicians who were creating a loud volume that displaced the need for many musicians,
    began to evolve their own musical language, as playing from memory needed to create a musical community.
    The basic three chords, called 1, 5 and 7, are names related to the fret number on the neck of a fretted instrument.
    Those basic three chords covered much of blues and country as played on acoustic and primitive electric instruments.
    I'm sure you know what I mean when I say Chuck Berry rock and roll became a standard for rock'n'roll bands.
    Even the Beatles were using Chuck Berry riffs and vocal back-up guitar work with their first albums.
    Again, this is music that was played from memory, shared between musicians, without any sheet music.
    Arguments about how you can call yourself a musician if you can't read music were ordinary.

    The evolution of the human musical mind is demonstrated by rock star guitars being used to play classical music.
    There are many YouTube videos of an electric guitarist playing a Beethoven composition without using sheet music.
    Contemporary musicians have grown up hearing so much classical music as soundtracks for everything,
    from movies to TV shows and advertisements, our minds have developed a sense for it as older musicians did with three chords.
    It can be said that progressive rock guitarists developed solo abilities that paralleled virtuoso violinists and jazz musicians.
    While progressive musicians playing solos approximated that, in general, the overall style of those bands remained hard rock.

    Seeing many lead guitarists onstage as an orchestra, playing the music of a symphony composer,
    can be seen as legitimate music, but they're not carrying the bass and drums of rock or pop music with them.
    Not yet.
    I'm going to use links here, so if you want to watch a YouTube video you can access similar videos.

    "Sinfonity" is promoting itself as the first electric guitar orchestra. Jimi Hendrix talked about a 16 or 18 piece rock orchestra,
    back in 1969. He was waiting out a record contract so he could begin anew as "Electric Church", with this big band.
    For Jimi, that was about having other players to recreate all the overdubs on his albums,
    so he could play out live and sound like his recordings.
    Don't forget, it was having too much studio orchestration the made the Beatles break up, unable to play their songs onstage.
    The technology with synthesizers or having electric pickups on acoustic instruments wasn't there.

    Here is a 1:57 video of Sinfonity, an introduction to their concept of a lead guitar orchestra.

    This is a teenage girl playing the third movement from Beethovens' Sonata in C# minor.
    I just picked the first video I saw on the "recommended videos" found on YouTubes' home page.
    It's probably there because I've listened to it a couple of times.

    In a non-sexist way, showing a young girl playing such music demonstrates a new global mind.
    Rock bands, especially those strutting players of bombast and drug-induced musical euphoria,
    were seen as being the territory of teens and men, all that male swagger.
    Jimmy Page was seen as the guitar god, being described as the best guitarist on earth.
    His band, Led Zeppelin, carry the classic rock star gods banner more than any other band,
    the thunder of the gods. Here's something nobody could have predicted when the original song came out,
    not just because it's another young girl playing one of his most complicated songs,
    but the fact she's got the same kind of guitar and gets the same sounds was rare back then.
    Being able to sound like the album, when having a new sound or original electronic device,
    was a big part of what a corporate production was in the studio, during British Invasion times.
    Having the military provide electronic devices to rock bands,
    from the C.I.A. giving Jimi Hendrix the second Magnavox twelve-track recorder that was manufactured,
    to English military giving Pink Floyd the first "computer" generated effects,
    with the Beatles getting the first machine that let you speed up and slow down tapes,
    without changing pitch.
    Imagine doing the drugs of your choice, and then speeding and slowing your recordings,
    until you think it sounds better.

    That's not part of what a lead guitarist has to do to play a classical composition properly.
    It's also an important part of a new global, musical mind. Not having to do drugs or be drunk.
    There are many teenage musicians playing classical music with rock star instruments on YouTube,
    and it's obvious it took hard work to figure out the parts themselves and play them without error.

    I really don't want this thread to develop as a list of members saying this is my favorite,
    or look at this half-naked woman playing Bach... or these seven year old Chinese girls playing Listz,
    no, I'd like to know what is in your mind, what you can play without having to read,
    or use sheet music to learn the notes, where you are, how it feels, what it took for you.
    You can't rehearse new music or font when it's coming from your heart.

    This topic is very specific, but I know it's part of a new global mind-set, with YouTube as the venue.
    This music video is about that, people of different nations, cultures, and music, beginning to blend together.
    It's call a "New Way Forward", and that's what I hope you submit, your vision of a new way forward,
    for you, for me, and for every other musician you would like to see becoming famous as a new millennium artist.

    What can we see next? An orchestra playing rock music where the conductor crowd surfs?
    A classical music mosh pit? An orchestra playing disco songs where there's a dance floor?
    A symphony playing stoner music where there is a legal use of marijuana?
    There are so many rock bands and so much classical music, with so many instruments for all of them,
    I really see a need for a new forum to share ideas and personal stories about this new coming of age.
    Would you pay to see a convincing hologram of Beethoven conducting any kind of orchestra?
    If an orchestra of lead guitarists dressed in costume, arranging themselves onstage as a classical orchestra,
    with a conductor dressed as Mozart, for me, wearing a pink wig, is that a viable commercial production?
    Instead of me continuing to use my imagination, I'm sure your musical interests can be described,
    within the concepts of "symphonic-electric" and "a new way forward".

    The Irish Punjabi Party (New Way Forward) 3:57

    When I bought my 1964 Stratocaster in 1970,
    I was sitting in my bedroom jamming along with McCoy Tyner, Elvin Jones, Nicolo Paganini and Vladamir Ashkenazy,
    to name some of my favorite musicians, some I bought, some I borrowed from the public library.
    When I started taking my guitar out to Saturday matinees, getting up onstage to jam with local players and the band,
    all the other musicians were surprised at my ability and would come over to our table to talk with me.
    This opened musical doors that led to me moving to Toronto to associate with some of the biggest bands,
    and repairmen and roadies who became manufacturers of musical equipment, within six months.
    Perhaps my greatest accomplishment was having a bassoonist for the Ottawa Symphony and Ottawa Symphony Orchestra,
    start to date me, letting me visit her parents house to be there as she rehearsed,
    because she thought I was as good as a violin virtuoso. She helped me stay strong with my concept of being symphonic-electric.
    If you knew how I felt, seeing Stratocasters and Les Pauls, when I put a '57 humbucker on my Strat right away,
    being used to play such intelligent, expressive music, yeah, if you knew how I felt... you would reply right away.
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    I have to admit, after watching all these YouTube videos for so long,
    I'm seeing so many megalodons and megaliths I want to play some megariffs.
    Any takers?

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    Here's a human musical mind thing, a song a lot of people used to play on the piano,
    and for most, it was the only thing they knew how to play.
    You can see here how these two begin with a variation, jazzing it up a little,
    before they get into the basic bass line and melody, and then jazz it up again.
    What people used to concentrate on with their fingers is now something that gets to be foot work.
    I'm tempted to talk about the easy songs that rock bands used to jam on for matinees,
    Season of the Witch, Feelin' All Right, Knockin' on Heavens' Door, as more shared musical mind-sets,
    but that's a lot further down the road. And that includes your musical journey.

    This video is :54

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    Talking about the evolution of the musical mind also involves the evolution of musical instruments.
    Here we have an acoustic guitarist 2017 finger-picker of the year, playing an "acoustic guitar".
    This video demonstrates how acoustic guitarists are acknowledging what electric guitarists have always known,
    it's more fun to stand up and be able to walk around onstage, or move around or dance while you play.
    And just when you're thinking it might look like an acoustic guitar but she's plugged into an amplifier,
    you see her pedal board on the floor and see her changing the electronics for her guitar.
    When she starts tapping... oh yeah... and you know she's looking around that store at all the electrics...
    I'd be thinking of selling off all my stocks that are invested in acoustic guitar manufacturers. 5:43

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    I just hafta add, she's got the sound-hole covered or blocked off.
    A lot of acoustic guitarists with pickups do that so they're not feeding back so easily.
    That makes an acoustic guitar an exterior acoustic instrument that is hollow inside.
    That's an acoustic-solid guitar.
    Maybe that's the next evolution for acoustic guitars, being made without a sound-hole.

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    When effects pedals allowed electric guitarists to promote demonic tones, satanic sounds,
    taking them past hard rock into heavy metal, I was calling it heavy mental.
    It still weighs heavy on my mind.

    This event demonstrates the basic approach to heavy mental guitar, and that's speed.
    I know it takes more than one musician to make a rhythm, or music, as a form of communication.
    The fact there can be such a large outdoor event with a guitar playing, sorry, shredding contest,
    without even drums and bass to play off of, really says it all, but I'll keep commenting.

    The production, with a name in the bottom left hand corner, says it's a music experience.
    As a Jimi Hendrix freak, that also helps to bring down more heaviness on my brain,
    if I went there expecting to hear musicians playing with contestants jamming with them.
    I won't comment on the fashion sense of the emcee, other than to say he is very heavy himself,
    in every way he can display.
    I really don't want to describe how heavy mental artists are looking like new demonic beings, more than punk and goth.
    The fact that local governments insist on a heavy law enforcement presence at heavy mental events,
    has made the bigger bands stage their own concerts on private land, what further separates them from ordinary mankind.

    I'm seeing this as rigged, just how he talks about the entrants, being more excited about the twelve year old,
    and calling him a homey, a big code word for all those locals.
    At the end, instead of just calling out his name as he does for the first two contestants,
    he's shouting at the audience to vote for him.
    I wouldn't be surprised if this was a side-show for a motorcycle or monster truck event.

    What I'm saying about the evolution of the human musical mind is only obvious here,
    a twelve year old boy playing rock star lead guitar in a way nobody was doing in the early sixties,
    unless you saw Michael Fox in "Back the to Future" and it's playing with your mind right now.
    Just over five minutes.

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    Symphonic-Electric and the electronics that can be used also include laser-light holograms.
    This video and the comments of the people who were there are more than enough.

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