Opinions on modern music

Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Hello Oneiros,

Solo tour it'll have to be then :smirk:

I'm glad that the librarian is a nice lady - maybe she can help you in your quest for more Górecki.

Moi? getting any ideas now??? please perish the thought. I'm way beyond the *hormone hurricane* stage of teenage boys.

Cheers,

Corno Dolce
 

Oneiros

New member
Moi? getting any ideas now??? please perish the thought. I'm way beyond the *hormone hurricane* stage of teenage boys.

Well that makes one of us at least. :eek:

Even though I'm beyond the terrible teens... Solitude does strange things to a man's mind. :crazy:
 

Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Hello Oneiros,

Ooooh Boy, a man in solitude - hopefully he is then a member of an order, like the Masons, Shriners, etc, etc, etc or a monk in the Catholic or Orthodox Church. A lone Alpha Male Wolf can be quite problematical sometimes. I had once been without the graces of female company for a protracted period of time - I felt miserable and I began to notice things about my person which scared me. Then, along came Jade and whipped my butt into shape. She provides the sounding board for us and daily she proves that Man and Woman were made for each other because they are different and that their differences compliment each other and help to break down unhealthy notions and patterns. She is God's gift to me, no doubt about that!!!

Cheers,

Corno Dolce
 

tomato

New member
LMAO. :D It's a shame that such age difference has gone out of fashion in our day. How old was Herr Schumann when he took fancy to a tender young Clara of 16 years?

I thought I read somewhere that he was 18 and she was 11 at the time.
 

Oneiros

New member
Yes you've got the right idea there Corno. ;)

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And you are also lucky to come across a nice female companion. The trouble I have found, is that after so many years in the forest, the hermit's social skills (or lack thereof) have seized me. And so when a lovely woman comes along, which happened recently, it is like watching Parsifal tripping over himself and making a terrible mess of things. It's actually quite funny sometimes - to observe one's own wretchedness. :grin:

I thought I read somewhere that he was 18 and she was 11 at the time.

Goodness, so it gets worse. And then we add Brahms into the equation, who was how much younger than Clara? Those Romantics...

I managed to dig up some more Górecki too. All choral works, should be interesting.
 
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Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Hello Oneiros,

Imho Brahms had an extremely severe case of *puppy love* for Clara. Poor Brahms really had it difficult with the womenfolk. Let us remember that he was helping to bring in cash flow to the family by playing piano in the bars and *cathouses* at the wharves in Hamburg, Germany where all the world's randy sailors gathered, eagerly waiting to get their turn for some *female attention*. Brahms had a fair visage when he was in his teens so it is not at all unlikely that he had been invited by many a lass for a romp in the hay.

Now, after having experienced the seamy-side of society Brahms was probably shattered for life. What he most likely saw in Hamburg would never have been permissible for an underage boy to see. Today, anything goes. Even some parents dress up their small daughters to look like a girl of *ill repute*. My girlfriend and I are appalled by what is going on. :mad::shake::scold::scold::scold:

All the best,

Corno Dolce

Btw - please don't become too engaged in observing, as you said, *one's own wretchedness*. It is a vicious circle which feeds off itself - like a continual feedback loop. I know - I was there - and it scared the living daylights out of me. :eek::eek::eek:
 
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Oneiros

New member
Aye I remember reading about Brahms' early days. It's a wonder he turned into a great composer - I respect him a lot for that.

And don't worry - It's a long time since I last hacked myself to bits with self-criticism. Now I just laugh instead. Would you agree, that once one has seen the dark side of the mind, one knows how not to think, and how to make sure it never strays into that territory again? ;)

Well we are certainly masters of digression eh. :D
 

Montefalco

New member
I very much enjoy modern 'classical' music, because it is so different to a lot of other music being written these days. There is a lot of different variety between different modern styles as well, which makes it interesting to explore. I also find it more fun to play modern music.
 

Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
There is some really good *modern* classical music being written these days. Of course, there is still too much junk that needs to be deposited into the shredder...
 

Ouled Nails

New member
I always feel like I'm doing research in some archives with Montefalco. I see someguy is posting here too and it's a fine opportunity to reconsider my own position, to revisit an old theme, to demand more precision from my own mind.

position no. 1: a good work of music is like a good book: the author is sharing her/his grey matter in a most intimate manner and, for that reason, "copycats" just won't have much of an impact. So, a good work, whatever the style, will involve dragging you in there intellectually and emotionally, becoming part of the mental process. If you're drawn, not by style, but by the artistic exercise, then the author has succeeded. If you resist, from the onset, because of preconceived ideas about "style" then you won't be drawn into the work, will you?

position no. 2: in every walk of life one finds all kinds of personalities, from the superficial self-actualizer to the isolated self-reflecting individual who is utterly oblivious to public reaction. Style does not guarantee depth, any style. Remain evaluative within a style, not of a whole style.

position no. 3: some things are best expressed in a given style. If you're conveying in music your response to/ impression or experience of millions of people being butchered then romanticism is not the best style. If you wish to express musically breathing northern lights in places very far removed from the great artistic capital of this world, you had bettere have experienced these northern lights from very close, not from Berlin, Vienna, or Rome conservatories! If you wish to express, as accurately as humanly possible, the unique bird songs of the Grand Canyon, oh no, don't rely on all the unnatural sounds generated to entertain the royalties of Europe!!!

position no. 4: the spiritual in music is very personal and to follow any conventional model can potentially defeat the personal expressio of spirituality. After all, it's a vision quest, isn't it, not a quest for public approval.
 

Ouled Nails

New member
But, in the end, all of these positions are mere philosophical opinions because Mr. Dollar rules and Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker will remain a favorite at Christmas time, and Mr. Prokofiev's Peter and the Wolf will draw far more people, families, than his more "esoteric" works, because it's all about entertainment, not about spirituality, realism, or intellectual depth, because we're just happy with a recognizable repertoire and we want to assess how this 76th performance of the same work measures up to the others. C'est nous. This is who we are.
 

Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Hi Montefalco,

I'll send you a private message with some thoughts I have.

Cheers,

CD :tiphat::tiphat::tiphat::tiphat:
 

Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Even were any of this granted, which I don't...


...who gets to decide?

Hello someguy,

You ask a fantabulous question - For some, it is the editors/ contributors of the cultural columns belonging to the major flagship dailies in America's biggest cities - Heaven forfend if their tenderly precious *oral diarrhea* comes into question. Yea, for they are the ajudicators of what is fine culture and music. NOT!!!

Respectfully submitted,

CD :tiphat::tiphat::tiphat::tiphat:
 

Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
I always feel like I'm doing research in some archives with Montefalco. I see someguy is posting here too and it's a fine opportunity to reconsider my own position, to revisit an old theme, to demand more precision from my own mind.

position no. 1: a good work of music is like a good book: the author is sharing her/his grey matter in a most intimate manner and, for that reason, "copycats" just won't have much of an impact. So, a good work, whatever the style, will involve dragging you in there intellectually and emotionally, becoming part of the mental process. If you're drawn, not by style, but by the artistic exercise, then the author has succeeded. If you resist, from the onset, because of preconceived ideas about "style" then you won't be drawn into the work, will you?

position no. 2: in every walk of life one finds all kinds of personalities, from the superficial self-actualizer to the isolated self-reflecting individual who is utterly oblivious to public reaction. Style does not guarantee depth, any style. Remain evaluative within a style, not of a whole style.

position no. 3: some things are best expressed in a given style. If you're conveying in music your response to/ impression or experience of millions of people being butchered then romanticism is not the best style. If you wish to express musically breathing northern lights in places very far removed from the great artistic capital of this world, you had bettere have experienced these northern lights from very close, not from Berlin, Vienna, or Rome conservatories! If you wish to express, as accurately as humanly possible, the unique bird songs of the Grand Canyon, oh no, don't rely on all the unnatural sounds generated to entertain the royalties of Europe!!!

position no. 4: the spiritual in music is very personal and to follow any conventional model can potentially defeat the personal expressio of spirituality. After all, it's a vision quest, isn't it, not a quest for public approval.

Blessed ON,

I could not have said it better myself.

Cheers,

CD :clap::clap::clap::tiphat::tiphat::tiphat::cheers::cheers::cheers:
 

some guy

New member
Corno, I invite you to take responsibility for your own assertions.

What is the "really good *modern* classical music being written these days"?

What is the "junk that needs to be deposited into the shredder..."
 

JHC

Chief assistant to the assistant chief
Even were any of this granted, which I don't...


...who gets to decide?

You have to decide for yourself, rightly or wrongly it is a personal choice if I don't like it I don't purchase it, if that upsets anyone "tough baby tough" :( If composers keep writing music that appeals to a small minority that's up to them.
 
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