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Thread: Is Heavy Metal the music of the Devil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLS View Post
    We agree, then. Heavy Metal(or any specific musical style) is not evil in and of itself. It's simply music(though you think it can be used for evil purposes(whatever that means)).

    Perhaps. But it is necessary to know what evil is if you want to identify it in music or any other area of life. If you don't know what evil is, you can't even know if it exists...

    It can be evil in and of itself is my stand point .

    The best definition that I can find at the molment that seems to suport with what I believe how to describe evil is.

    The force in nature that governs and gives rise to wickedness and sin.

    My belief evil originated from the tree of knowledge GENESIS 2,9

    From a tree ? well trees are a form of nature the question probly most often asked is why did God put the tree there to begin with well my conclusion is that it was a test for Adam from God to prove his love and obediance.

    And that is not only taking that definiton literaly but figurativly as well because it moved from the nature of a tree into human nature once sin was intuduced through disobediance which led to are curse of (Death) as human beings.

    So to brake it down I believe evil is the spirituall death of man and sin is a direct result of that effect.

    So I would look at the word (Evil)as a broad word to describe any and all actions of sin.

    And you can probly google up the word (sin) are if you have never read a bibble before you can take a look their also and do some reading.

    Take care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stronghold
    It can be evil in and of itself is my stand point .
    Well, you're contradicting yourself my friend. To say that heavy metal is evil in and of itself is the same as saying that all heavy metal is evil(simply by being heavy metal). That's what "in and of itself" means. In your last post, however, you claim that some music can be evil if it is used for evil purposes, regardless of what type of music it is. Maybe this is simply a communication problem, but these are clearly contradictory statements.

    The best definition that I can find at the molment that seems to suport with what I believe how to describe evil is.

    The force in nature that governs and gives rise to wickedness and sin.

    My belief evil originated from the tree of knowledge GENESIS 2,9
    Sorry. I didn't realize I was speaking to a fundamentalist Christian. Encountering people who actually take the Bible literally is pretty uncommon where I live.

    ...the question probly most often asked is why did God put the tree there to begin with...
    Actually, the question probably most often asked is, "Are there really still people around who think the parables in the Bible are true historical events?".


    So to brake it down I believe evil is the spirituall death of man and sin is a direct result of that effect.

    So I would look at the word (Evil)as a broad word to describe any and all actions of sin.
    Fair enough.

    This is a music forum, not a philosophy or theology forum so I won't make this a discussion about religion. Such a thread would be out of place, here, and probably a bit inappropriate.

    And you can probly google up the word (sin) are if you have never read a bibble before you can take a look their also and do some reading.

    Take care.
    I'm well aware of the concept.

    Just so you know...the Judeo-Christian Bible is not the only religious text that utilizes the idea of "sin". The Qur'an utilizes it in much the same fashion. Also, the Three Abrahamic religions are not the only ones to utilize "sin". It is quite common in monotheistic religions of all kinds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLS View Post
    Well, you're contradicting yourself my friend. To say that heavy metal is evil in and of itself is the same as saying that all heavy metal is evil(simply by being heavy metal). That's what "in and of itself" means. In your last post, however, you claim that some music can be evil if it is used for evil purposes, regardless of what type of music it is. Maybe this is simply a communication problem, but these are clearly contradictory statements.

    Sorry. I didn't realize I was speaking to a fundamentalist Christian. Encountering people who actually take the Bible literally is pretty uncommon where I live.

    Actually, the question probably most often asked is, "Are there really still people around who think the parables in the Bible are true historical events?".


    Fair enough.

    This is a music forum, not a philosophy or theology forum so I won't make this a discussion about religion. Such a thread would be out of place, here, and probably a bit inappropriate.

    I'm well aware of the concept.

    Just so you know...the Judeo-Christian Bible is not the only religious text that utilizes the idea of "sin". The Qur'an utilizes it in much the same fashion. Also, the Three Abrahamic religions are not the only ones to utilize "sin". It is quite common in monotheistic religions of all kinds.

    There is no controdiction there the term (In and of it self )refers to the song are LP in question reguardless of style of music meaning if you have a paticular song are LP that you believe to be evil that does not bring in the intire style of metal as a whole just the music in question which again is a personal openion.

    Speaking again to content-which includes Heavy Metal songs that one persons openion may feall that it has evil content with reguards to single out suspect music from Heavy Metal but not as a whole deming all Heavy Metal music as evil but just the songs that warent such a label .

    And if this thread has the referance to the Devil which it does than you can probly bet the word God are Jesus would enter into the picture someware since the word (devil) comes from the christian text of the bibble.

    But its intristing you brought up the word fundamentalist its nothing more than a political word to me although the decription of a Christian fundamentalist seems to fit with most of my beliefs but not all.

    I just read and no my bibble I feall my belief in Jesus Christ is a personal one the only agenda I have really is to share the good word of Christ but not to convert your political way of thinking because my belief and tresure so to speak is for the life after even though I try to live like Jesus as best I can here on Earth.

    And as far as the parables go I think its erelavent really if thay were true storys but the actuall story itself and the mesage is what is important to understand Jesus.

    Im a fan of Sience I think it goes hand in hand with the bible I dont think sience has it all right though as far as evilution but in another million years if we still look like we do than will no the awnser to that question wont we we wont be hear and I believe Jesus might come back sooner than that by the looks of things but we will have to see Hahah.

    Take care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Museo View Post
    Was this association with the Devil just a way of making the music more popular?
    No, it's metaphor for a Romantic notion of rejecting certain popular dogmas and accepting certain existential ones.

    Why I am Not a Satanist
    Black Metal as Art

    And the forum thread...

    Satanic Imagery or Satanic Beliefs?

    All come from experienced underground metal people. For mainstream heavy metal you'd have to ask someone else, but for black metal/death metal the coverage is complete at the above links.

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