Using "MyOrgan"

[Contratrombone64]

elite and specific?? I resemble that remark!

 

[musicalis]

Hi !
For those who want to listen to a piece recorded with Myorgan, I have posted in this forum a very short music at the topic "transigo platea".
To record this music, I have used the free open source virtual organ Kloria Myorgan and the free organ set "Orgue de salon" (a very small organ, but sounding nice).
The MP3 is dry (no reverb).

 

[cfmcmillan]

Thanks for the tutorial

Jean-Paul,

Thanks for the tutorial. I have succeeded in making a set of pipes from a soundfont file. I finally just recorded each note and looped it. It took several hours of work, but sounds fine. Inserting it into the organ wasn't too hard. I'm sure there are things I haven't figured out yet, but I've made a very workable organ.

 

[musicalis]

I am very happy for you succed in making your private organ .
Can I see a picture of your organ or see your ODF please.
I you need something from me, please ask at your turn.
J-P

 

[AlainT]

As by now, it seems to me that the two best possibilities to get an excellent pipe organ simulation are:

- "My Organ", which is free on Kloria Publishing site;
- "Hauptwerk", which you can buy direct from Kromhorn Laboratories (www.crumhorn-labs.com).

The first one plays sample sets in the form of Hauptwerk 1 format. The available sets are in limited number. The files are terminated by ".organ"

The second one is the best choice, on my own opinion. It is professionnaly supported. People at Krumhorn Labs are very pleasant.
A lot of libraries are available, with many kind of organs. Ckeck for instance Milan Audio web site.
The price is reasonable for such a complete and stable software.

In both cases, as samples are not compressed (the reason why they sound so good), you need at least 2G of fast memory.

Regards

 

[AlainT]

I discover that there was a "page 2" on this topic...... The previous message was intended to be an answer to Judy' post on page one.....

I read the other post. I thing that the best choice for people who don't deal too much with file or software manipulation and just want a tool for making music are the two that I pointed above.
Anyway, Musicalis's tutorial is a great tool!

 

[musicalis]

Hi !
Many topics have a page2, page3 and so on. Open wide your eyes.
There is also in the pipe organ forum an other topic you should read, it is called
MyOrgan vs Hauptwerk.
J-Paul

 

[Analogicus]

In my opinion, jOrgan should also be considered as a virtual organ program. Its strengths are that it is free, it offers tremendous flexibility if you are prepared to learn how to manipulate its software (certainly not for "Dummies"!), it has a very active forum, which means that support is readily available, and it does not require huge computer resources. Its writer, Sven Meier, is very accessible via that forum, and is busily writing a third version at the moment, with input from members of the forum. The main drawback of jOrgan at the moment is that the range and quality of organ sample sets is disappointing, but I expect that to change.

Analogicus

 

[musicalis]

JOrgan

Hi !
I Know JOrgan and I agree with you.
I have used it a while, but today I prefer MyOrgan even if there is not a large and active community.
j-Paul

 

[jvhldb]

Ok, I've given up trying MyOrgan. I keep on getting amessage that no MIDI was found, although Finale and other programs don't have any problem using my MIDI interface.

 

[musicalis]

don't give up

Courage !
How do you try to work with MyOrgan ?
do you link it to a midi keyboard or to an other software ?
I you want to use MyOrgan with finale or with any sequencer, you need to install a virtual midi pipe, like MidiYoke (freeware). In this case, load midiyoke, run it. It will install in your computer a new midi device. Set Finale midi out to Midiyoke1 (or midiyoke2) and set MyOrgan midi input to the same midiyoke1 or 2.
J-Paul

 

[greatcyber]

You Don't Need No Stinkin WalMart...

Hi Judy,

You don't get the simulation programs at a store, silly...just google "virtual organs" on the internet and you will find all sorts of programs out there. There is so much talk o this site about My Organ, that I downloaded it myself yesterday, and had it up and running in two shakes. You can also go to Crumhornlabs.com (it might be crumhornlabs.uk) and download the demo version of Hauptwerk 2. They give you 2 months to play with it and it reproduces cathedral organs such as St. Stefan's in England (which is fab) and also an Open Diapapaison Organ that I really love. (I'm a window rattler when I can play a pipe organ). You can also get demo versions of theater pipe organs, such as the Miditzer from Miditzer.com. That one is way cool. In fact, I called my mom in the states and played some of the samples over the phone for her. All the stops work. If you have a cheap keyboard from WalMart, KMart or Radio Shack, such as a Casio keyboard, all you need to get is a package of MIDI cables to connect your keyboard to your computer.

For Hauptwerk, you'll need a relatively newer and powerful computer, my Dell XPS is a year old, dual processor with 2 Gigs of RAM and I have no problems. External speakers are also an asset. You can get the cables at a music store, Radio Shack or even on Ebay for about $10. Just make sure you get the kind that will fit into your computer. If you have a joystick port on your sound card, they you need one end of the cables to be able to connect to that. If you have a USB port available, then buy MIDI to USB. The MIDI cable end will have 2 plugs, IN and OUT. You hook the MIDI in to the MIDI out on your keyboard and hook the MIDI out to the MIDI in on your keyboard and the other end has only one connector (mine is USB).

If you are as crazy as I am, you'll have about 10 free virtual organs downloaded before you know it. Then you can download MIDI song files from the net for free and play them through these programs and they will sound like you are in a cathedral, a theatre, a ball park, jazz club, pretty much anything.

I have to admit, I'm very new to all this...have only been playing around with this stuff for about a few weeks, but now I started downloading sheet music from the web, most of it for free. The cool thing about MIDI music is, while the music is playing, you will see the keys moving on your computer screen. You can also change to "piano roll view" depending on what other free programs you have downloaded from the internet, and see the musical notes appear as the keys play and learn to play the songs that way. Some programs will even let you print out the sheet music from within the programs.

Just remember one thing...Google is your friend. There is Soooooo much available on the net for free. One example, when I was a little kid (long time ago) one of my favorite classical pieces was Mozart's variations on a theme of twinkle twinkle little star. It's actually called Ah, vous dirar-je maman. It's 12 variations starting from simple to quite complex. After downloading the pianoteq (pianoteq.com) demo version, I googled the song and downloaded it. Then I played it through the concert grand and started to cry as it was so beautiful. If you would like to hear it, I included the sound file.

If I can help you further in your quest, feel free to ask me. You may PM me if you like.

Have a nice night and keep on playing! Stephen

 

[raymondo30837]

Hi Boys and girls, I have been following this thread with great interest. I know little about Midi but I intend to give it a go. I have ordered a midi cable so that I can connect my DGX 200 to the computer.

When it arrives please stand by to have your brains picked

My Kindest Regards. Raymond

 

[Mathbob]

myorgan and jorgan

Like some others on this list - but not all - I have a VERY tight budget. The prospect of free is appealing. I have a modest organ that I am digitizing (a mid 60's Rodgers Trilogy, 3-manual church-style organ, similar to a Trio); I don't need all the fancy bells and whistles. I'm a former programmer, so I don't mind some technical with control files. However, I don't want to spend a vast amount of time on it. I want to play the organ, not play with it.

The one concern I have about each of these products is support. Question for those of you who use each of them - can you get questions answered - either by the author or the user community? JOrgan seems to be more actively under development - MyOrgan hasn't had an update since early 2006.

Some of the posts on this thread are rather old, so I'll ask again - is there a good selection of FREE sample sets available for each, wet and dry?

Also, I've looked at the MyOrgan home page and can't find a place to download the documentation - just the program itself. I'd like to know the features and requirements in detail before trying it. For exampe, does it support combinations and couplers?

Please share your experiences - good and bad.

Thanks, Bob

 

[musicalis]

Hello

In spite last update is 2 years old, Myorgan is a onderful free organ. Combinations, couplers, expressive boxes, tremulants ... are possible.
For a former programmer it will be easy to edit the ODF and make your own instrument. Each day it is possible, I use myorgan 4 or 6 hours/day; I love Myorgan, i have tried many free organ, this one is the best.
Please visit my two web site for tutorials and mp3 made with MyOrgan

http://organ.monespace.net
http://musicalis.monespace.net

 

[Analogicus]

Bob,
Musicalis has answered your question regarding MyOrgan and its functionality. Now let me add some words about support.
There is no support for MyOrgan, apart from what has been given by Musicalis and others on this (Magle) list. Although there seems to be a chatlist for MyOrgan, currently it's not working. However, MyOrgan is an excellent program, and gives wonderful results.
I can thoroughly recommend it.
jOrgan is also capable of excellent results, but is more difficult to set up on your computer. However, its chatlist is very active, full of members eager to help, including the writer of the program. In other words, there is plenty of good support. jOrgan has great flexibility, allowing the enthusiasts to set up their own customized organs, of almost unlimited complexity if so desired.

Analogicus

 

[greatcyber]

Hey Guys,

All of this is true. Myself, I have been very frustrated at trying to use one of these programs. At some point I am going to give MyOrgan another try, especially with having Jean-Paul as such a good help resource on this program. I have heard such good things about it but for some reason, have not so far been able to get it to work for me. Likewise with Jorgan. I can get the organ loaded, but it is really more programming than I feel like getting into. I also have downloaded the freeware Miditzer from http://virtualorgan.com. This has an extensive user forum and I have actually had some success with using it. But I have two keyboards currently hooked up via a motu micro express interface and while I was able to get some of the knobs on my E-mu keyboard to control things such as swell shoes and crescendo, I have not had any success with stops, pistons, coupleers. So, I resort to reading midi sites...A LOT!

I also downloaded Hauptwerk, which I prefer the most out of all of them, but can I get that to work? Not completely. They also have a very active forum, but so far, frustration has won out over actually buying the program to use.

When I split my keyboard using midi, I am not totally happy with that. I finally broke down and purchased an old Hammond Concorde which I intend to "midi-ize" and hopefully if that works, then I will purchase a license for Hauptwerk.

To reduce the frustration some, I have found piano programmes, such as pianoteq, absolute Bosendorfer and some others that at least all of the notes on my keyboard (one of them) work.

Just my two cents. I feel your pain. Keep smiling.

 

[musicalis]

Hello

Hautpwerk is nice too, but there is no free demo version of the most recent version of this software, and the free demo version of Hautptwerk-1 (fully compatible with myorgan) cannnot be used because there is a bell ringing every second.
With the last version (expensive), you will need a very powerfull and fast computer with several Mega of Ram. Have you got it yet ? AFter you will have to buy samples sets (sometime very expensive)

I really tell you, that MyOrgan is a very complete instrument, even for an organist professionnal.

Ther are very good free sample sets for MO and Hautptwerk-1. What you have to do is to gather these sample sets in one and only one folder to make a huge library of organ stops. Then, you can build magnifiscents instrument by re-writing the organ definition files (ODF) and using these mixed sample sets. There are also free sample set for Hauptwerk-2 that you can download and use, but you may need to edit them a litlle .For example renaming each wave file (easy with a batch program) or converting 24 bits wave files into 16 bits. Its take a lot of time, but the result is great (in French we said "Le jeu en vaut la chandelle").

For creating the ODF, I have written a software for PC. It is not perfect, some bugs remain, but it runs rather well. You only have to make some quick corrections with a text editor one the ODF is done. I can give it to any of us, but there is no user manual, I have not found the time to write it.

Also, there is not official forum or support but there is a great community of MyOrgan user. Myself, I am ready to help any of you if I have time enough.

 

[greatcyber]

Thank you for your input, Jean-Paul. Since I have seen first-hand the fruits of your labours, I will try once again to work with MyOrgan. I hope you don't mind if I start asking you a bunch of questions.

Thanks for your knowledge, talent and generosity.

 

[musicalis]

How do you try to use MyOrgan ?
Do you try to play MyOrgan from a midi keyboard linked to the Midi in port of your computer or do you try to control MyOrgan from Finale, Cubase or any sequencer (inside the same computer) ?