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Dorsetmike

Dorsetmike

Member
That's the problem Graham, Notepad outputs on just one channel. I've dowmloaded a midi editor "midiswing", done 3 copy/pastes to split the Notepad score into pedal, great and pos, play and output pedal part on midiyoke1 to channel 1 on midiswing, record it, Great on m'yoke2, pos on m'yoke3 in turn play and record in midiswing, then play the resultant midiswing outputs to Myorgan, at least that is the intention, I've got as far as individual pedal, great and pos midis that i will try to play separately to Myorgan before trying to do anything with midiswing.

Time for me to go do some cooking before I starve, cya later.

PS Graham I'm on Skype if you're about later. Skype ID = Dorsetmikeb.
 
greatcyber

greatcyber

New member
Mike, did you also download Midi-ox when you got the midi yoke? It is a great utility as you will find. It tells you which channels are being utilized and by what and is easily customizable.

I'm playing with a program now called midi notate. Will let you know how it works out.

I just wish Hauptwerk wasn't so difficult as it seems to have addressed all issues already. Not to mention the cost. But if I can't get a demo version to work for me, why would I purchase a licensed version?

A very basic program available at www.organtool.nl is a SIMPLE stand-alone utility for a basic organ. It's companion product www.organizer.nl allows you to select a soundfont such as jeux, and then click to select stops and save presets to memory. It is completely FREE.

I have noteworthy coposer as well as finale but so far haven't played around with them much yet. But I also have a dearth of other programs, such as Sonar, Acid Pro, Cubase, etc. But then my intention is to work on orchestrations at some point.

Native Instruments has a free Kore player with some sound banks and Battery 2 or 3 have some wonderful digitized and synthesized sounds. Some of the pipe organs sound very nice. One is even the Hauptwerk all stops.
 
Dorsetmike

Dorsetmike

Member
Hi Stephen, Finalé notepad seems to be doing what I want so far, so also Myorgan, it's getting files from one to the other. I can send the notepad output as a midi file, but then Myorgan appears to play notes from the bass on the pedals OK except when you want to go above the "cut off point", or you want notes for the great to go below its cut off point if you see what I mean.

So my next exercise was to split the music into three separate midi files, one for pedal one for great and one for positiv (I'm using the Jeux d' Orgues set) and sending via midi yoke, I can then get Myorgan to play what I want on pedal, or great or positiv; ONLY PROBLEM then is Notepad will only output one channel at a time.

I've spent most of the last 2 days looking for a free midi application which will merge the three parts into one 3 tracked midi file and also allow production of a control track for changing stops etc.

I think I have the "how to" sorted, it's now down to what to do it with. I'll have a look at Midiox and continue my search for midi freeware. What I am beginning tio hate is the so called freeware which is actally crippleware with no save or output facilities, bluddy useless, they are often the ones you would like, but having got you interested enough to look at the price you find they want an arm and both legs, which on a pension is a non starter.
 
musicalis

musicalis

Member
If I have understood well, Notepad can play only one midi channel at a time. So, let me please give you a small advice :
Download Harmony-assistant (or Melody-assistant (easier to use) from Myriad-online and instal it.
Run HA and import your midifile in H-A, set correct midi channel for each staff and start playing. One midiYoke port is enough.
harmony-assistant is free to download. if you don't register, you cannot save your work and you can only print one page, but all the other features of this software are available.
I know that H-A can also import Finale files, so it is possible it can import also Finale notepad files.
Jean-Paul
 
Dorsetmike

Dorsetmike

Member
Hi, Jean-Paul, the Finale notepad files are .mus files same as other finalé aplications so that should not be a problem with HA. What I have done so far is to generate .mid files for each staff and try to import them to various midi editor and sequencer programmes to attempt to produce a multi channel .mid file so far without success.

Reading the HA website it does look as though it should do what I want, so another one to try!!
 
musicalis

musicalis

Member
Do you want I make a multi channels midifile for you or do you want one of my file for H.A to test MyOrgan ?
 

M. Satterbloom

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I have finally got MyOrgan to work the way I want it. What I had to do was change the sound output device to ASIO4ALL. Thank you for your help in referring me to ASIO.

One more thing that I would like to know is if anyone knows of a good (and free) way for me to have reverberation to eliminate that dry sound.
 

Analogicus

Member
If it has to be free, it can be done by using a reverb plug-in and a VST hosting program, which you install in your computer. I have had success doing this with MyOrgan. The hosting program I use is Cantabile12 Lite (free download) and the plug-in is Omniverb (also free download). Another free hosting program is VSTHOST, but I find the the Cantabile much easier to use and understand. Other reverb plug-ins are available.
I spent a lot of time getting the settings right, probably because my level of understanding still leaves a lot to be desired. In my case I found it a challenge to have sufficient reverberation (which with Omniverb is very nice) without having the whole thing howl because of feedback. It may just be a matter of knowing what the correct work-around is with settings, etc., but that is not quite within my grasp yet. However, the final result is very pleasing, and far better than without it.
I normally use Cantabile to host a software synthesizer called "sfz" along with Omniverb (whose full file name is jb_omniverb.exe), and in this case there is no feedback problem.

Analogicus
 

Analogicus

Member
Further to my previous post, today I checked out MyOrgan and the reverb using Cantabile and Omniverb, as I described. I did this both on my desktop PC, and on my wife's laptop, on which I have also installed my organ programs. I can report that I am no longer having that feedback problem, so Omniverb can be used quite unfettered. I have written down my settings so that I get it right next time. The difference a day makes......
I have also begun to have another look at VSTHOST, to see if I can get my head around it. As a free program which offers lots of flexibility, it deserves another look.

Analogicus
 

ggoode.sa

New member
Hi Analogicus,

What sound driver are you using with MyOrgan that allows you to use a VST as well? DirectSound or ASIO?

Sounds like a winning formula!

GrahamG
 

Analogicus

Member
Graham,
MyOrgan is only allowing me to choose either my Audigy 2ZS Direct Sound setting, or ASIO4ALL. Cantabile offers me all the possibilities for a sound driver setting, but it doesn't seem to be working with ASIO4ALL in this case! So Direct Sound it is (with no latency, by the way).
However........ I am now hearing what seems to be a slight "tremulant" or "vibrato" with higher settings of the Omniverb, which I hadn't noticed before, and which I think is quite undesirable. So perhaps back to the drawing board......

Analogicus

P.S. I have just editted this post to include this P.S. Having rebooted the computer after having breakfast and a shower (!), I find that the tremulant etc. mentioned above is no longer there. In any event it ws almost inaudible anyway. Such is the fickleness of computers and their users. So perhaps my set-up is worth serious consideration after all. (But I have learnt, with computers, not to be certain about anything!)
Regarding my settings, Omniverb allows me to stop the feed-through of the direct signal, but to output only the reverberation content. I have stopped it, partly to reduce any tendency to feedback. There is still plenty of "direct" sound to be heard. Whether this is an idiosyncracy of my particular set-up, I have no idea. (In some other and unrelated use of Omniverb and Cantabile, it became obvious to me that in that case the direct feed-through should certainly be allowed - otherwise it makes you think you have terrible latency - Omniverb introduces a delay as part of its reverb simulation, although it can all be adjusted at will.
 
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Analogicus

Member
M. Satterbloom,
I notice from your most recent post that you require the use of ASIO4ALL to get a satisfactory result. Since my reverberation set-up does not seem to work with ASIO4ALL selected (at least, for me), it seems my suggestion is not much use to you.
Another possibility, of course, is to buy a hardware reverberation device which you insert between your computer audio output and your audio amplifer. At least this allows you to direct the reverberation to a SEPARATE amplifer and speaker(s) if you so choose, which IMHO is desirable anyway. Also, it makes life a bit easier for your computer CPU, in giving it a bit less work to do.

Analogicus
 

jrschroeder

New member
MyOrgan Compressed Files

Hello

Given that you have a working virtual organ (a set of MyOrgan compliant files) how do you cause some/all of the sample files to be loaded compressed?

Regards John
 

ggoode.sa

New member
Hi John,
This is an either/or setting, so either all the wav files load compressed or all the wav files load in full 'un-compressed' state.
In the MyOrgan menubar, click on 'Audio' > 'Settings' - this will load the Devices and MIDI Messages tabs. In the Devices tab you will see the Midi input devices, the Sound output device, and then the 'Enhancements' box underneath the Sound output section. In the Enhancements box is a check-box for 'Lossless compression'. Make sure that this check box has a checkmark in it and all the organs loaded in MyOrgan will load compressed.

Have fun!
GrahamG
 

jrschroeder

New member
Hi

I am looking for the correct way to load .wav files into MyOrgan as compressed files. Several providers of sample sets say this is possible in their 'requirements' page.

Regards. John
 

Analogicus

Member
Musicalis,
Thank you for your tutorials on reverberation. I was wondering if you had a contribution to make to this thread. Your solution seems to involve a lot of work, adding reverberation to each sample! I doubt if that was quite the solution that was being requested!
It seems to me that your method adds reverberation to the release sounds, but not while a sustained note is sounding. Is there a particular reason why you did it that way? Did it have something to do with looping problems?

Analogicus
 

ggoode.sa

New member
Hi John,

As far as I know, MyOrgan cannot load already compressed wav files. MyOrgan will perform the compression on the wav files as it loads them into the RAM. If someone else knows something different, please share with us so that we know too!

GrahamG
 

jrschroeder

New member
Compression in MyOrgan

Hi Graham

Thanks for the reply. I also got a note from Fred deJong at Hauptwerk.nl. Enabling compression can be done by checking the appropriate item in the list of settings in the audio panel and hitting 'Apply'. Anything loaded after that will be compressed.

With compression enabled, I can detect no difference in either sound quality or key latency, at least in my setup. It does load more slowly but I don't care about that.

I have 1.3GB of free memory... less if you count the OS. I think I can get the Hintz organ at Leens loaded, if I also reduce the compass to 49 notes, which I believe was that of the original organ.

Regards, John

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Tomasz

Tomasz

New member
Pedal midi for MyOrgan or Hauptwerk

Hi there!

I would like to show you pedal midi. Perfect to use with Hauptwerk or MyOrgan.
Made from real wood. Weight- about 40 kg. Steel construction.

There is aloso available 1,2,3 or 4 manual midi console and bench for pedal.

If someone is interested to buy it please call me 07756952355 or write me [email protected].
I'm from Tunbridge Wells, Kent, - 30 miles from London.
Or if you like you can see it at my home almost every evening.

Tomas
 
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