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    MyOrgan files

    The MyOrgan files have disappeared from both SourceForge and Kloria. What's happened? Does anyone have these files?

    Thanks, Bob

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    Yes, they disappeared a few months ago. Download the free version of Hauptwerk III instead. It's better!

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    Hi Bob,
    MyOrgan 1.0.6 was originally released in 2006 and the creator ceased supporting or hosting it part the way through this year (2009). He has since given the Copyright and Trademark 'MyOrgan' to Milan Digial Audio. The source code of MyOrgan was incorporated into a new project - 'GrandOrgue' which can be downloaded from http://www.exedra.hu/grandorgue/ . The GrandOrgue project still needs to update the copyright notices in regard to the changes, but GrandOrgue has everything that MyOrgan 1.0.6 does, plus a few extras (like the Transpose feature). Hope this helps
    GrahamG

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    Thanks to both of you! Bob

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    Furthermore, GrandOrgue is much lighter than Hauptwerk 3. Il is really sufficient for home practice.

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    I've decided to take the plunge and try GrandOrgue (nee MyOrgan). Rather than clog this message board with questions, is there anyone willing to communicate with me directly (via email) about setting it up? There are a number of posts on Magle about CPU speed requirements, memory needed, sound boards, etc, but no one collection of "GrandOrgue 101". Help? Thanks! Bob

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    Hi Bob!

    I thing that some people would like to have some info as well.


    Well, my own feeling is that MyOrgan or GrandOrgue are very easy to install softwares.
    So, nothing to say on the setup point of view.
    With regard to the required ressources, I should say that:
    - those digital syntesizers are part of the "sample" type, which means that you need some AVAILABLE memory space; this one depends on the sample set you actually use; for instance, I have 2Gb of memory under XP, and that is enough for Romantsviller Organ;
    - a lot of computations are being performed on the samples, so you need some computing capability, and fast memory acesses; for instance, I run it on an Athlon 64 single core (Yesss....), and the 2Gb are made of two paired 1gb banks;
    - if you want to enjoy the wonderfull sound quality this type of synthesis can provide, you need a good sound output device; for instance, I use an E-MU 0404 USB interface that sounds marvelous;
    - you then need keyboards; I have nothing to say in particular; for instance, I use two Midi keyboards, one on the 0404, the other staight into the computer Midi input.
    To add a pedalboard, you will need some extra Midi input. Some devices are available for the purpose. Othewise,if you get enough money, there are wonderfull keyboard/ pedalboard sets on the market, easily linkable....

    I must say I designed a dedicated computer two years ago for the purpose. So the cost/result ratio is pretty high.
    As far as I understand computer technology, a multi core computer doesn't improve performances, because GrangOrgue is not designed for split computations.
    Any reasonnably fast machine will do the job. But I tried it on my simple laptop, and I quickly reach some limit when I play a lot of notes (considering my musical level, not so often....).

    Anyway, this software being free, just try it with your equipements!

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    Using MyOrgan

    Hello all of you,

    I am using Grand Orgue for serious organ work. I have HW3 but I prefer
    MyOrgan / GrandOrgue for many reasons. GO is all that is needed.
    However, MyOrgan needs to be completed, I don't mean adding features, only correcting a bug that was also present in HW1. It is better with MyOrgan/GrandOrgue. In HW1, it was objectionable.
    HW1 is useless for me, I can't stand the pedal noise in the Subbass, at key closure.

    This bug is not apparent or audible for higher pitches than, say, 6'. It is still there, but not audible for higher pitches. Because a single wrong cycle in the end fade is too short in time.
    It should be corrected. The problem is that at key closure, the jump from loop to end tail is not always at the right place in the wave cycle.
    For a 16' pedal Bourdon or Subbass, for instance, sometimes, not always, depending on the initial place in the loop, the jump is wrong and the sound is bad, a kind of hiccup.

    In HW3, this problem is totally corrected.
    If this is too difficult to be corrected, in GO, I think we could simply have a gradual fade at tail end, for pipes with the lower pitch that manifest this bug too strongly.
    I mean no jump to a tail end. For the lower keys, the loop would just go steadily until the volume is nil.
    With a choice of tail ends, this noise at key closure would be eliminated, and the sacrifice of the normal tail end would be very minor for those few pipes.

    We need a programmer to do this. Or a team of programmers. I would be willing to pay for that. MO/GO is almost the program I would dream of, 10 years ago. The Subbass noise is very annoying.

    FRENCH
    MyOrgan/GrandOrgue est le programme ideal pour moi, aussi bien pour un orgue de pratique que pour une application professionelle. J'ai HW3, mais je préfère MyOrgan pour une foule de raisons. Cependant, un problème subsiste, c'est le bruit désagréable lors d'une fin de note, apparent surtout dans l'octave grave d'une soubasse 16', par exemple. (Dans HW1 c'était pire, pour moi inutilisable.)
    Ce qui cause ce bruit, c'est un saut au mauvais endroit du cylcle, à partir de la boucle. Parfois le saut est correct, parfois raté. À basse fréquence, un seul cycle raté est trés apparent car il dure relativement longtemps. Pour les tuyaux de 6' et plus aigus, c'est si court que cela devint inaudible.
    MyOrgan merite d'être complété. Je ne veux pas dire ajouter des gadgets, mais corriger un dernier bug.
    Il nous faut un programmeur ou une équipe, je serais prêt à payer une partie du coût, si c'est nécessaire. Je crois que d'autres pourraient le faire aussi.
    Yves

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    Hi Yves,
    Thank you for that input :-) I knew there was a bug in GrandOrgue in regard to the sample release, I just didn't know what it was or how to find it. I'm currently working on updating the image work in GrandOrgue (I'm not a programmer, but given a little trial and error I have managed to figure out what and where the images are). I'll have to see if looking through the code brings anything further in regard to this issue. The last time I looked at the audio section it was too full of equations and variables for me to read properly... so maybe if I take it slowly :-)

    All the best!
    GrahamG
    Johannesburg, South Africa

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    What I think :
    The bug must come from some lookup table made at loading time.
    This lookup table registers appropriate jumping points with the proper values and derivatives (rate of change).
    I think that since no two cycles are exactly the same, there must be some accepted range for a suitable jumping point.
    Some wave shapes may have too similar values and derivatives at the beginning of a cycle and somewhere else in the cycle. Then a wrong jump.
    Hence it could not appear on certain stops, if the wave shape is not prone to this problem. It may be possible but difficult to alter the wave until the bug doesn't show.
    I had the intent to experiment this but I had no time for this work yet.
    I don't know how Martin Dyde has faced this difficulty in HW3 but it is perfect in HW !

    Yves

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    This is the tail end of the lowest principal 8 pipe. With the wrong release and with the normal release:
    Yves

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    looking for two ranks

    I'm looking for two ranks of .wav files, not an entire organ. Anyone know a source for free/cheap Clarinet 8' and Chimes (37 notes, TC up fine). 44.1k/16bit. Thanks, Bob

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    Hi Bob,
    The 49-rank Casavant Frères Organ HW1 ODF with the 12-stop Carillon included (http://www.leochristopherson.com/Cas...eres_Organ.htm) allows a download of the Bell/Chimes ranks... Clarinet 8' is hard to find for free (Oboe and Orchestral Oboe I can get for you...). I'll see if there is a reasonably priced Clarinet 8' somewhere. There is a synthesised one (quite good) if that will work for you..?
    GrahamG

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    Yves,
    This is interesting.
    I believe (need to verify) that zero crossing is used to sync. the loop and the tail. In the lower display it seems this is happening but there is a 180deg phase error. The other problem is that it is stereo and it is unlikely that both waves cross zero at the same time. One good way to resolve would be to make sure the zero crossing works and have a small fade in/out between the loop and the tail.
    Can you reproduce this systematically with certain samples?
    It would be good to have such a configuration to debug this.

    JLD

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