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... the Church is totally separate from the State (government) in the US ... we do not have a "national church" nor "state church". quote]
Master Krummhorn :tiphat:
With all do respect sir.
Do you remember Jerry Farwell, who passed away a couple of years ago, the originator of the baptist/christian organisation Moral Majority? This organisation turned an yearly income more than 70 million dollars payed for by true believers of The Lord and Jesus Christ from all over the USA. Until the FBI in the middle of the 1980´s began to study and investigate, where all these money went to. They found that 2/3 of these money went straight into the pocket of Jerry Farwell. However these investigations against Moral Majority were ended, when the USA had a new political government - the Republican government?
The same Jerry Farwell, who could not defend himself in court from the expression spoken by Larry Flynt (the owner and editor of Hustler magazine): "Jerry Farwell is an addicted alchoholic and an incesturous pig". Jerry Farwell lost his own case in court. Soon after this Larry Flynt was shot down on an open street?
Moral Majority had another selfchosen obligation. No republican politician would ever be alowed to run for the US Congress, had he not been screened and approved of by the Moral Majority and Jerry Farwell personally, which would indicate that the Church, the organisation Moral Majority had huge influence in political matters on the Republican Party on the Hill in DC. Most true christian believers in the USA today are possitive on reinforcement of the USA military? Most christian believers in the USA today believe more in the word from the Old testament, than they believe in Darwinism. Aprox. 100 million Americans according to the International Gallup Research Institute.
The Bible as we all know of it was never a democratical statement.
When President Jr. announced the invation of Iraq to the American people and the world outside the USA he stated, that he had a conversation with God the night before, who supported his idea to invade Iraq? Like God supported the USA, when Lyndon B. Johnson signed the military proposal to iniciate 42 consecutice days and nights on Napalm and agent orange bombings over North Vietnam in the 1960´s. Do you Master Krummhorn believe God would say yes - Kill anyone you please for in my name?
But it´s not the key issues here on whether a country apply to democracy or not.
You can disclose or detect whether your country is a democracy or not through simple asked questions:
1) Do my country accept torture as a tool of punishment on prisoners, not even trialed yet?
2) Do my country accept and respect the Human Rights?
3) Do my country accept and respect the Geneva Convention on Warfare?
4) Do my country accept assassinations on our democratical political elected leaders and political leaders in foreign countries?
5) Do my country accept and respect the right for all people to be different and have different opinions?
6) Do my country accept, that no politician nor ordinary citizens are above the law of my country?
7) Do my country accept equallity and freedom for all men and women to all citizens in my country according to the Constitution of my country?
8) Do my country accept and respect the U.N. as an international forum for all countries to meet and discuss international disagreements - peacefully?
9) Do my country accept and respect that all prisoners have the right to legal representation to help to defend one self?
10) Do my country accept and respect that religion has nothing to do with politics?
11) Do my country accept slavery in any form?
Respectfully,
Dear CT64,
This thread became useless about three weeks ago. My most humble suggestion to our dear moderator Master Krummhorn is that he should consider locking down this thread.
Humbly,
CD :tiphat::tiphat::tiphat::tiphat:
Dear Corno Dolce :tiphat:
Let me introduce your own expression towards me from a few weeks ago: Are you a bit defensive?
this thread has turned rather nasty I feel, maybe it's come to the end of its useful life?
CT64 :tiphat:
Why are you afraid, or rather what are you afraid of CT64?
Democracy, for instance, means freedom of speech and freedom or different opinions.
Don´t worry CT64, Denmark will not invade the USA. It´s against the rules of the United Nations to invade a sovereign member country. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
intet-at-tabe, I've been reading your recent comments, and I must say you've hit it spot on! Although I do think America used to be something of a democracy.. maybe a couple hundred years ago, I do agree with you that the Bush administration (or the American people themselves) have singlehandedly turned one of the most beautiful types of governemnt in the history of the world into a corrupt and largely political system. I think it was either Jefferson or Adams who had large reservations about the party system in American politics. I wonder why?
Best,
Mahlon
Dear Mahlon :tiphat::clap:
Whether you are 17 or 64 it does not matter. What matters are that you so obviously have formed an opinion about your country and it´s current corrupt political leadership, and the way your present Republican government within less than 8 years has thrown everything possitive and internationally negociated and approved of agreements, we all in the western world have fought for since the WWII - away.
If you can keep Barack Obama alive through the autumn untill the November 4 election, the USA might be open for reengagement towards democratical solutions and discissions for the better of all Americans equally and everyone else on this planet, that we all share.
Personally, I admire you as a very talented musican, but much more as an American male, who dares to speak his opinion. Not all do, not even here at the MIMF.
So keep on being curious and keep on your independence to have the right to speak your opinions on anything whatsoever, that is the essence of a true democracy.