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    Computer Generated Music Composition

    With today's virtual instruments, audio editing programs...there's no limit...
    But what's about Composing music, how to create new song/melody/theme...? Composing music with computers is almost norm? Pro Et Contra?

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    Indeed it is, ProEtContra.

    I've been using a notation software program called Noteworthy Composer since 2003, and my compositions are entered one note at a time - same as Bach and friends did it centuries ago, except now with a computer keyboard and screen. When completed, the score is fully "engraved", and looks neat and clean. In this manner, I can also work on several different projects over time.

    I am an accompanist for a very gifted Soprano soloist as well, and at times we have difficulty locating some music tunes ... I've found these tunes, but only in "mid" file format - so I import then into the notation software program, and notes appear on screen, which I then "massage" to remove the instrumentation lines and produce a two staff accompaniment in print ... hence an "arrangement" of what is public domain music anyway. Beats the old days of listening to a phonograph repetitiously and trying to score the music by hand.

    There are other systems too ... Harmony Assistant is another great one that one of our members (Musicalis) introduced to us, but I'll let him explain it in more detail.

    Indeed, the sky is the limit ... and then some.

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    First of all i would like to say: obviously I didn't make it clear enough ("Computer Generated Music").
    Today's "composing music" is - almost - manipulation by combining and mixing with already exiting loops and patterns.
    But, what's about the melody, tune...???
    It's not too simple, so, why shouldn't we accept the help of IT?
    Probably, you'll be surprised by the amount of software that you will find: Apple Computer's GarageBand software, Classical Music Composer, Easy Music Composer, FlexiMusic Composer, Fractal Music Composer, Jump, Magix Music Maker, Virtual Music Composer,... Yes, all these programs compose new music. And really important notice:
    they doesn't require any special knowledge or/and skills of composition. Just click a couple of buttons and listen to the music, new songs. And it belongs to you!...

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    But, there is lots more to creative music than just clicking a few buttons. The knowledge of Counterpoint is a necessary evil to fully understand how instruments relate to one another and how to add sonorous melody lines and intertwine those to make something pleasing to listen to.

    Some of today's "creations" are just pure noise without any "creativity", because the person who merely "clicks buttons" does not understand all the nuances (and proper ranges) of the instruments they are using, not to mention the theory of music.

    I was educated in the "old school" method of music and composition. I learned the hard way (without computers) having to write manuscript by hand, one note at a time. I still do that today, although instead of writing on paper, the notes are written on a screen with the aid of a software program. I guess I take pride in my creativity, and are more attuned to quality as opposed to the quantity of music produced.
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    I second that Krummhorn! although the field of computer composition, (computers literally writing the music for you) seems intriguing, I don't think it's for me.
    "The purpose of art is not the momentary ejection of adrenaline but the gradual and lifelong construction of a state of wonder and serenity."- Glenn Gould

    http://www.last.fm/music/Mahlon+Berv?autostart

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    more food for thought
    notice these are from many years ago, I wonder what they are up to today? would like to find out!
    http://www.ucsc.edu/news_events/revi...uters_com.html

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...bjects/O/Opera
    "The purpose of art is not the momentary ejection of adrenaline but the gradual and lifelong construction of a state of wonder and serenity."- Glenn Gould

    http://www.last.fm/music/Mahlon+Berv?autostart

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    the man who created a musical Frankenstein

    http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/experiments.htm
    "The purpose of art is not the momentary ejection of adrenaline but the gradual and lifelong construction of a state of wonder and serenity."- Glenn Gould

    http://www.last.fm/music/Mahlon+Berv?autostart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahlon View Post
    the man who created a musical Frankenstein

    http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/experiments.htm
    Don't think it will seriously work.

    If we are speaking about kinda composing music for soaps, documentaries etc., where it flows in background, and no one really focuses on it, then such things are possible. Actually it happens already - on a very primitive level, say music for PC games - you may combine the loops and grooves from a library , put a standard chord progression on it...The instruments are available by any modern host or virtual studio like Reason...No probs, and a software can do this as well.

    Do any user of computer games/ any soap consumer seriously worries whether the musical stuff was PC produced or not?

    If we are speaking about the "serious" music - I hardly believe the success is possible. One can as well say the programs like Paint, Photoshop could replace a real Picasso. People would always expect not only an average structure, but a personal note from a composer...That is, what differs Prokofiev from Shostakovich or Beethoven from Kuhlau. Such things are normally very unpredictable; I am not even sure, whether any composer would be able to describe "his own personal note" sufficiently enough himself .
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    yes exactly, which is why I have extreme reservations when listening to music that is so called, composed by the computer, in the style of a certain composer... http://arts.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/mp3page.htm
    Apparently the idea is to fill the computer with as much theoretical musical information as possible so that at the very least it can make a piece that follows the "rules of counterpoint as dictated by the composer in question".. this is the very least indeed.
    listen to the invention "after bach" or the sonata "after Beethoven" supposedly written by the computer. I get the funny feeling that the programmer, i.e. David Cope, entered in a schematic of a certain piece, say Beethoven's moonlight sonata for example, and just figured out some way of making the computer do a piece with a similiar form but varying the outcome slightly. However interesting it may be to try and make a machine do what a human can, the sonata "after Beethoven" seems to me to be a shoddy reproduction of a grand piece that was already written. I know this sounds elitist, but isn't it an insult to Beethoven to try and do something that he was the sole creator of, and then take credit for it? This isn't Beethoven, this is Beethoven a la IBM. The creative element is nonexistant. Yes I can say most composers or scientists don't really know what the creative element is and why us human's have any sort of creativity at all (or atleast I don't) But we do know that something is there! And I think we do know that at least at the moment, computers, (whose sole original intention is to Compute) lack a certain sense of motivation, or should I say, inspiration to write music? Let alone a sense of what it really is doing. It might be a cool experiment just to see. But I'm afraid Mr. Cope is either trying to become one of the "Great" composers trough his machine, or his writers block is really another word for. I can't compose.
    "The purpose of art is not the momentary ejection of adrenaline but the gradual and lifelong construction of a state of wonder and serenity."- Glenn Gould

    http://www.last.fm/music/Mahlon+Berv?autostart

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    This song is composed by machine 100% (main theme and harmony),...
    For me, it was enough to be inspiring to arrange, for video...

    http://www.virtualmusiccomposer.com/radio/lvbsx_VideoS.ram

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    I suppose unless they invent a time machine and I can travel back to the 20th century.. I'm in deep doo doo!.. haha. let's hope that "the terminator" doesn't develop too soon, because it seems it is now inevitable, atleast maybe not exactly the way Shwarzenneger had in mind
    "The purpose of art is not the momentary ejection of adrenaline but the gradual and lifelong construction of a state of wonder and serenity."- Glenn Gould

    http://www.last.fm/music/Mahlon+Berv?autostart

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    Hello

    If you are interested, I have written, some years ago (when computer screens were 600*480) a software to make random music in an electroacoustic style. This software is free and can be downloaded from my web site. It runs with every PC computers, even if you do not have a Wave blaster sound card.

    Here is the link for download : http://musicalis.monespace.net/autres/img165a.zip (400 Kb only).


    Friendly yours. Jean-Paul

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    Please visit my channel and web site to hear the music I compose
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    I've been studying how Expert Systems mimic pro composers. I'd really like to see some music composition software which isn't only music sequencing software or music notation/graphing software.

    I'd specifically like to see a program that will take a melody I input, perhaps only scanned in, that the computer then runs through all of the traditional music composition transformational devices without making me write them all out and test them on my instrument before I input them into the so called music composition software.

    If and when it can instantly create, inversions, retrogrades, retrograde-inversions, permutations, augmentations, diminutions, diatonic transpositions, putting the original melodic series together with the rhythmic retrograde, or putting the melodic series' retrograde inversion with the original melodic rhythm or taking the melodic series from one tune and combining it with the melodic rhythm from another tune, automatically make a diatonic melody pentatonic or automatically change the mode, then and ONLY then will there be any real music composition software in the universe.

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    All what you ask for is possible with the french software Harmony-assistant. when a function is not existing, you can add it with the powerful script language in LUA.
    Friendly yours. Jean-Paul

    Music is my placebo

    Please visit my channel and web site to hear the music I compose
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    I'm telling you the truth my computer won't do it! It's being it's
    stuburn self again this computer. I wanted to hear some of it.
    It would stop in the middle of a song and say "error can't find file"!
    judy tooley

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