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    Quote Originally Posted by Krummhorn View Post
    Wow, Mat ...

    Is that the going price in Poland that everyone would have to pay?
    Well yes, pretty much. But remember. Hammond is not as popular in Poland as in the U.S. I think that's the main reason of these high prices... I'm not surprised I can't afford to buy even the cheap one. And yes, where I live I could also buy a car at this price.

    And what is the average price in the States??
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    Hi Mat,

    I've seen the better ones on eBay from $4,000 to $8,000 - those always include the Leslie. I imagine at even that price, the shipping to Poland would be almost prohibitive as those old tone wheel organs are, as I recall, quite heavy.
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    4,000 for new Hammond B3????? Wow, That is cheeeaaap
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    Well, it's not "new", but rather "refurbished" ...
    There is one on eBay for about $8k.

    Hammond re-introduced the B3 in 2002 or 2003 ... however it is a digital version, sans the old tone wheels. Holy crap ... to my surprise it's expensive ... msrp of nearly $25k USD. Well, you were right ... my eyes just got opened, again.
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    Too bad...

    Well, I've got a question.

    Main sound source in most of the Hammond models are tone wheels, right (The tone is being produced as the tone wheels rotate)? And those new Hammonds (for example new B3) don't have tone wheels [?]. So, is there much difference between old ones and new ones when it comes to the tone color??
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    I think what Hammond has done, is capture the old tone wheel "sound" and recorded it into a digital format, then store it on memory chips.

    Similar to what other electronic manufacturers, like Allen for instance, that have taken pipe samples and recorded each note individually, then saved that sound "image" digitally.

    The sound will appear to the be the same, but the method on how that sound is produced has changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat View Post
    Too bad...

    Well, I've got a question.

    Main sound source in most of the Hammond models are tone wheels, right (The tone is being produced as the tone wheels rotate)? And those new Hammonds (for example new B3) don't have tone wheels [?]. So, is there much difference between old ones and new ones when it comes to the tone color??
    Hi Mat,

    for the case you are really interested - one can buy a REALLY CHEAP old Hammond on Ebay - Germany. This will not be necessary a B- or C- modification - rather E, A, M, L series. Then you will have to find a technician who can give a new life to an instrument. It is absolutely possible - kinda you buy an oldtimer ( a car produced 50 or like yrs. ago ) and then restore it. The whole affair can cost app. 1000 Eur. Just visit ebay.de...

    To your question - I was several times on Hammond presentation they make on the Frankfurt Music Fair ( Musikmesse, app. 15-20th of March every year ). So, a new B3 is an electronic version of an old one ( in a way other clones like Roland VK, Korg CX, Oberheim OB, Hammond XK are ). That is, tone wheels are modelled and synthesized. I can honestly tell you - many of these clones are that sophisticated made, that I do not hear any difference. May be some Hammond purists do. For my years, even the software version of Native Instruments B4 II sounds absolutely acceptable.

    Another question is, that every Hammond - due to a unique amount of leakage , keyclick etc. - have a somewhat unique sound. All new electronic B3s must sound the same - that is the point to have YOUR OWN OLD INSTRUMENT, which does not sound like any other. Of course, there is also a little bit of a story behind every Hammond....
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    Krummhorn, Andrew - thank you very much for your help, guys.

    Andrew,

    I am a big fan of the Hammond organ and the whole sound concept. I did some searching, too. I saw different models on ebay and on Allegro (Polish counterpart of ebay). However, in my current situation I cannot afford to buy neither new nor used/refurbished instrument....

    Musikmesse, yes. I was planning to go there this year with bunch of my friends, but couldn't do that because of the last few, very busy months. So, you say one can find Hammond on the Music Fair? Is there a lot of other keyboard-related stuff there? I sincerly hope that I am going to make it to next year Frankfurt Muic Fair. Who knows, maybe we'll meet


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    Oh yes - The "Frankfurter Musik Messe" - What a cool happening!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat View Post
    Krummhorn, Andrew - thank you very much for your help, guys.

    Andrew,

    I am a big fan of the Hammond organ and the whole sound concept. I did some searching, too. I saw different models on ebay and on Allegro (Polish counterpart of ebay). However, in my current situation I cannot afford to buy neither new nor used/refurbished instrument....

    Musikmesse, yes. I was planning to go there this year with bunch of my friends, but couldn't do that because of the last few, very busy months. So, you say one can find Hammond on the Music Fair? Is there a lot of other keyboard-related stuff there? I sincerly hope that I am going to make it to next year Frankfurt Muic Fair. Who knows, maybe we'll meet


    Best regards,
    Mat
    Hey Mat,

    Musikmesse is an event of a year for lots of musicicans and music fans! It is worth a visit anyway. They have two VERY LARGE halls for keyboards/software companies only. So you can find there actually everything you might have an interest to - KORG, Roland, Hammond, even Moog, Clavia...Lots of it. You may try yourself any of these instruments or get it presented by a company personal.

    One another highlight is a piano hall , where only pianos are presented - from Samick to Steinway ( ), all sizes....All are playable for everyone.

    Hammond ( the European section of it, which has its HQ in Holland ) has always a separate stand in a keyboard hall with a presentation cabin and live shows.

    So, if you go there in 2009 - surely we can arrange a meeting !! Living within an hour from Frankfurt ( with a car ) I have a natural advantage , so I spend a day on the Messe every year since 2001!!
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    Wow, that is wonderful!! Two halls for keyboards only. That would be like going to heaven for me. And you say one can have a try at each instrument. Gorgeous.

    Andrew, thank you very much for the provided info. It makes me wanna go even more now. So, I will do everything I can to be there next year.


    Yours truly,
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    no luck

    Well, I've tried and I can't seem to put up a picture of the organ on here. Oh, well.

    I must say, I've enjoyed reading your comments. Thank you for sharing your knowledge of the Hammond organ. Thank you for your polite invitations to stay and chat. I honestly wish I had something of value to contribute to your discussions. I recognize that I am way out of my league here. I feel a bit like one who accidentally wandered into someone's fancy dinner party. I'm overcome by the urge to slip out before anyone notices that I'm underdressed in my jeans and T-shirt (so to speak).

    If only we could send this organ to Mat or Andrew. I've decided, instead, that I will search for a local recipient who resembles both of you in knowledge and passion for such things. This instrument should definitely be played by someone who cares and it should not become a home to fish or plants!

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    Dear rhapsody89,

    You are most welcome. We are doing our best here. I'm glad we could be of help. And there is absolutely no reason for you to feel "like one who accidentally wandered into someone's fancy dinner party". We are happy to have you here. So please enjoy your stay


    Dear Adrew,

    I have one more question about the Musikmesse for you. I know you have been to the MM far more than once (every year since 2001?). Can you tell me wheter there is a lot of drums-connected stuff and if one can buy something at low, bargain prices? I've been looking for a crew I could go to the Musikmesse next year with, and one of them asked me about this drums stuff. So I'd be grateful for any information or for a link where I coud find out something more.



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    I recognize that I am way out of my league here. I feel a bit like one who accidentally wandered into someone's fancy dinner party. I'm overcome by the urge to slip out before anyone notices that I'm underdressed in my jeans and T-shirt (so to speak).
    Hi Rhapsody 89, ( if only you read it ), terribly sorry once again about the diagnosis of your husband. If you once have time, desire, opportunity, then you are very welcome here. It is a place where you can discuss almost everything , not only pipe organs and Leslie speakers.

    Btw, if I would have to choose an appropriate outfit to appear at MMIF party one day, guess it would be rather jeans and T-Shirt ( with a Hammond logo on it ).

    I have one more question about the Musikmesse for you. I know you have been to the MM far more than once (every year since 2001?). Can you tell me wheter there is a lot of drums-connected stuff and if one can buy something at low, bargain prices? I've been looking for a crew I could go to the Musikmesse next year with, and one of them asked me about this drums stuff. So I'd be grateful for any information or for a link where I coud find out something more.
    Hi Mat,

    now to our professional interests... Yes, I did not miss a single one MM since 2001. Every year I say to myself - this time I will stay at home! - but there is always a bunch of reasons to go there. So I go...

    Drums - there is a drum hall at MM ( can't recall now where it is exactly, guess near to gtr & bass hall ) - with drums only. It is extremely loud there, as you surely know, an average drummer is a mentally sick person, who use to think - the louder, the better...So these guys gather there together and have lots of fun!!!
    I have never bought anything on MM myself, but I have heard about such things - some companies really may want to sell some exhibits, so that they don't have to transport them back. But, to do it, you have to be there on the last day of MM anyway. And bargain...
    If your guys don't want to wait almost a year for the next MM - take a look here: www.thomann.de, the most reliable partner in Germany, the prices are good. They also have an English version of the site, and I guess they would ship to Poland too ( it is EU now ).
    From my side, I would recommend www.ebay.de too, many sellers would ship
    "to Europe" - they have such an option - and you can find there absolutely everything. If I need a reference about any price for myself, or want to buy any equipment, I would normally visit these two webs.
    Hope it helps - CU at MM!!!
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    Thank you very much, Andrew!!!!

    Now I know what to tell my drumer-friend.

    From what you wrote I can assume that MM is far more better than I thought it was.

    So, I'll do my best to go there next year.

    Thanks once again.


    Yours truly,
    Mat
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