Crossing the border

methodistgirl

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Since I said what I did in the poem thread, I'm moving my discussion
to this one. What I have started on is a discussion and debate.
I would still like to talk about our politics and
the way America is treating her first natives. So join right in.


I am still crying over what us Americans have done
to the Native American. It's real shameful. We've pushed them as
far west as we could so that we could have room when we all ready
had all the room in the world here. Just like with the blacks, all we
have shown them is our prejudgment and hate. These people have
been here for centuries before we came over here beginning with ol'
Chris Columbus. I consider him a pirate for the way he and his men
made war with the natives.
judy tooley
 
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intet_at_tabe

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret.)
Thank you Ms. Judy :tiphat: so now we´re at least two, who feel a bit ashamed. I guess what you don´t know is, that some of the new settlers who came from Scandinavia - Norway, Sweden and Denmark were hard core criminals, that we did no know what to do with, so they were mixed with carpenters, fishermen, people of the agriculture world, black smiths and so on who were alowed to go to the new world.

So the Europeans and the Scandinavians are to blame as well. Btw. Did you know that the English would sent hard core criminal prisonors from England to the almost not populated Australia, except for the native Australians, the aboriginals, for imprisonment instead of staying imprisoned in England?

When I was a boy around 6-10 years old, and we watched the first black and white old American cowboy movies in the new invention the TV, or on sunday afternoons at the local cinema, I became - a freak - according to my male friends from the neighbourhood, because I was always on the side of the indians, against every other boy my age, who would be the cowboy character of John Wayne or Rod taylor even Eroll Flynn. Already then from childhood, I singled out to be a freak or an outcast, because I always found more empathy and sympathy for the native American indians. I remember, I was impressed they could ride a horse without the saddle, only using a blanket on the back of the horse. What I did not know at this young age of mine was, that most of the indians in the movies were actually white actors dressed up as the "savages". Of course the oprairie indians were nomads falling the steps of the great Buffalo, so they would always be close to the food.

Since then in my childhood, I began reading a heck of alot about the great prairie indians of North America, about the Great Spirit of Manitoo, the war God of the Apache´s and everything else, I could get my hands on about the native American indians - a very proud people, significant hunters and much more friendly and sociable than often portraited by Hollywood or later American History books. I have also studied the culture of the Maya and the Aztec empires of South America, who for reasons we do not really know were great builders of buioldings, temples and places on top of these temples were thousand of native indians were sacrifized to the God of the Maya and the Aztec - the sun, as we know it today.

One of the things most impressive to me was the respect and love the North American Indian tribes gave back to nature, never kill more animals than they could use for the tribe, clean up after evry meal, and when having killed a Buffalo for instance they always sacrifised to the God´s of the Buffalo with respect of this great animal and of course to Manitoo for the support during the hunt.

When the first caucation whites, the new settlers arrived to the mid. western, you know Montana, North Dakota and the states around or rather south, east and west of Montana, because Canada is the border to the North of Montana, there were the total number of around 5 million indians spread in about 38 different indian tribes from coast to coast. Some of them living by the great waterfalls, some of them only on the great white plains, some of them using every stream they could fish in - and the prairie. They would fight each other for stolen horses and women, but never for the Buffalo or the great American Eagle for instance.

We (the whites) did damage and try to erase, all of us whites, an incredible sociable race of native Americans, who often in the beginning were mostly curious and they could ride any horse like had they been born on the back of the horse. Incredible knowledge they had about every recognizable sound or smell from any animal, snake or any bug. They too in their own way studied the stars at night and they could move around during the night without a sound.

In the year 1900, there were less than one thousand indians left out of the total 5 million native American indians when the white settlers first arrived. The tribes were cheeted every time Yellow Hair equals George C. Custer as the representative for the Great White Father in Washington changed an agreement the seventh cavelry did not keep anyways.

Funny isn´t it? The indians were accused for scalping the white settlers, while it was the french army, who taught the indian tribes how to scalp an enemy. But they were to blame for this as well as anything else, provoked by the new settlers who stole their land and the animals they lived of. In all the American politicians in Washington changed an agreement with the tribes 127 times, and the native Americans, could only see how their "empire" the free and open great plains crumbled and crumbled every time.

Three of my favourite films from America/Hollywood still are "Dancing with wolves" by Kevin Costner and "It´s A Good Day To Die", starring Dustin Hoffman and Fay Dunnaway and the third "Soldier Blue", some of the very few movies that actually showed the indians to be much more friendly and socialble than Hollywood and later American History books for education means mostly had shown since.

Thank you again Ms. Judy for the beautiful poem and your beautiful soul.
 
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methodistgirl

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Intet, did you know that there just few of the tribes left in America and
Mexico. President Bush and the rest of the government needs to shut
up and let these people come. The Mayan and Astez believe that their
nation is doomed so they are fleing the nation. I guess if the USA was
in that kind of danger and we knew it we would be headed for Canada,
Mexico, and flying to other europian nations to get away from the
trouble ahead. I can understand the security at the border but let's not
carry it so far that they can't come over. What I see is a little opression
with the different races. There are some Mayan ones here in Kentucky
and they're real cute. The tall ones are the Astez ones.
judy tooley
 

intet_at_tabe

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret.)
Intet, did you know that there just few of the tribes left in America and
Mexico. President Bush and the rest of the government needs to shut
up and let these people come. The Mayan and Astez believe that their
nation is doomed so they are fleing the nation. I guess if the USA was
in that kind of danger and we knew it we would be headed for Canada,
Mexico, and flying to other europian nations to get away from the
trouble ahead. I can understand the security at the border but let's not
carry it so far that they can't come over. What I see is a little opression
with the different races. There are some Mayan ones here in Kentucky
and they're real cute. The tall ones are the Astez ones.
judy tooley

Yes I do know Ms. Judy :tiphat:

I can remember having read an article from a Danish News paper and whatched it as well on TV in 2006/07 when President Jr. made a five country visit to South America, supposingly to be a promotíon trip, where he was and is not the most popular person as a representative for the USA. In fact, he was almost attacked physically in Brazil and Mexico as the last of the five countries he visited, from demonstraitors on the streets and had to be protected at all times on this trip to South America, no matter where he was or in which country he visited.

So he and the exploitation from the USA of cheap labour in Mexico throughout the 20th Century - has made him - persona non grata - in South America.

"Funny" isn´t it the CIA behaved as terrorists thoughout the entire South America in the last half of the 20th Century, supporting Pinoche´and Allende in Chile, having sent the CIA and the Navy Seals to El Salvador, Nicaragua to assassin bishop Romero and any non-pro-american politician inside a church or the parliament in a country, only because bishop Romero and South American politicians in generel talked about social welfare programs, also including the indians of South America. The USA ambassador to Panama spoke disillutioned to the international press, before he was demanded back to the USA in the 1980´s:

"We the USA came here to democratise South America and Panama, but ended up making drugs deals with Noriega, and slaughtering thousands of people throughout South America in covered-up military operations".

Colonyism and imperialism are two sides of the same coin, which never in the history of the human beings have supported the native population. Not in Africa, not in South America, not the indians of North America and certainly not in the Middle East, which turned into a barrel of powder in 1948, when the U.N. upon the veto from the USA declared the state of Israel as a fact - No one asked the Arabian countries close to the Sinai inseln about their opinion about the declaration of Israel in, what had been Arabian territory and muslim religious countries for more than 2000 years.

I believe they should have given Cuba to the jewes, much closer to the USA. We might not even have had the Cuban-crises in the beginning of the 1960´s.
 
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methodistgirl

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That is so true Intet. Like they say what goes around comes around.
Because we have as much or more of a nuclear threat as we did with
just the russians. Now every nation on the planet has a bomb waiting
and pointed right for us which is scary. Right now we could use a new
president that will do just like Reagan did with russia and stop some of
this threat or we are going to be doomed someday over their anger
toward us.
judy tooley
 

intet_at_tabe

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret.)
That is so true Intet. Like they say what goes around comes around.
Because we have as much or more of a nuclear threat as we did with
just the russians. Now every nation on the planet has a bomb waiting
and pointed right for us which is scary. Right now we could use a new
president that will do just like Reagan did with russia and stop some of
this threat or we are going to be doomed someday over their anger
toward us.
judy tooley

Ms. Judy :tiphat:

Pakistan and India have the nukes, and they are certainly not the most steady of countries. They have fought each other on the province of Kashmir for decades. Iran want to have it, and wether we will teach them or not, they will certainly get it, if we the caucation white race keep up the provocations. North Korea, one of the most tyrant countries of all, with the Il Sung family on top, could scare even the already dead.

One year prior to 9/11 the Bush family in Texas had an agreement with the CIA (without the US Congress knowing anything about it) and local military officers within Iraq to have Saddam Hussein and his brother assassined in one of his own palaces. Suddenly the whole plan, according to a former CIA operative, the CIA-leader of this plan, was aboarded?

I can´t remember his name, he was sacked from the CIA and wrote a book later on about how the CIA has infiltrated every country in the Middle East since the WWII. He said in his conclusion of the USA as the only SUPER power left on this planet in his book:

"America always creates it´s own enemies, always has always will".

Remember two or three years ago, when The White House suddenly came with the very desturbing news, that the state of Niger in Africa had refined plutonium in order, meant for Iraq to produce a nuke. Fear again spread in the USA and the rest of the world. This statement soon showed to be a pure fabrication from The White House, like so many other "predictions" or "facts" over the years.

IMHO, we as the caucation white race has dominated and forced the entire world throughout the past 2000 years in all aspects of human life, so I do not really find it as a mystery that most other countries outside the western world are pritty fed up with the caucation white race.
 
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methodistgirl

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I hope who gets to be president this time whether it be democratic or
republician is a good one who will stop this hatred and streighten up
this country. Like I said we need to let the Mexican people come on
over. They might be the key to improving our economy. If they come
over illegal then we can legalize them with some kind of proof paper
or something to help them stay. They are good workers and will do
what many of us wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. They don't mind
as long as they can do the work. That's one of the ten commandments.
Love your neighbor as yourself. Mexico and Canada is our neighbors
and we should be a little more compasionate with them. The economy
in Mexico is close to being dead comparing to ours. Plus the Mexican
people who are coming over here are fleing the country because of
fear of their future. I think I know why people feel like they do toward
the Mexicans. Most of them or probably simply all of them are Native
americans. They are Mayans, Astez,and Ican. That's the problem.
Canada got a bum rap because they didn't want to go to war with us
because of a peace treaty. I don't blame them one bit. That would
have been breaking the law and they knew it even France.
judy tooley
 

Krummhorn

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I hope who gets to be president this time whether it be democratic or republician is a good one who will stop this hatred and streighten up this country. Like I said we need to let the Mexican people come on over. They might be the key to improving our economy.

I disagree ... how is adding even more homeless and starving people going to help our economy? Our economy is hurting enough. I believe in "brotherly love" but there has to be a breaking point or we, as a country, will wind up just like the impoverished countries in the other parts of the world. Those countries must help their own first, too.

We already have thousands of homeless and starving people who are in this country legally that we can't yet feed or care for.

If they come over illegal then we can legalize them with some kind of proof paper or something to help them stay. They are good workers and will do what many of us wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. They don't mind as long as they can do the work.

I ask you: If you or I went to their country illegally, would we be unconditionally accepted, given citizenship, food, clothing, jobs, housing, and free medical care? I seriously doubt it.

Mexico and Canada is our neighbors and we should be a little more compasionate with them. The economy in Mexico is close to being dead comparing to ours.

We are on friendly terms with both Canada and Mexico. It's Mexico that doesn't want our help, but yet they do nothing to help their own ... their President probably lives in the lap of the greatest luxury - think he would share this wealth with his poor citizens? Brotherly love?

Plus the Mexican people who are coming over here are fleeing the country because of fear of their future.

And people aren't leaving this country (US) with the same fears? Unless Congress, the Senate, and all the Democrats & Republicans unite together soon to solve OUR problems, there isn't much future left here in this country. That unification, "brotherly love" as it were, isn't going to happen - that's plain sight reality.

I think I know why people feel like they do toward the Mexicans. Most of them or probably simply all of them are Native Americans. They are Mayans, Astez,and Ican. That's the problem.

Oooook ... since the Mexicans are Native Americans, Mayan, Aztec and Inca, that's what the problem is? Ok ... glad that matter is solved - it's so crystal clear now ... :banghead:

There is no "hatred" of the Mexican National people. Living in a state that borders (65 miles South) we have a large influx of illegals. They can apply for a visa at any time ... they are well aware of the rules and laws. Why then did they pack 23 people into a normal sized station wagon and drive 80 mph up the freeway, crash and roll and kill innocent people ... their OWN people? This actually happened in this state about a month ago ... and then they said "we weren't doing anything wrong!" Right :rolleyes:

The laws are the same for those from Mexico, as they are for people from Europe, Asia or anywhere else in the world ... if you are here illegally, you'll get deported. Nobody has singled out the Mexican Nationals. The government of Mexico needs to help their own just as the United States needs to help its own, too, something that we (as a nation) are sadly failing to do.

I agree about the jobs that others will take that some of us won't ... that's our own internal problem and I personally blame the trade unions for setting the standard when they say "by gawd, we is gonna make $25 per hour or we gonna strike that muther friggin company and shut them down!" That "no matter what" mentality doesn't work anymore, and until the American worker and its unions realize it, nothing is going to change. Push comes to shove and I bet any American worker would take the most menial tasked job if it means putting bread on the table.
 

Muza

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I very much agree with Krummhorn, he said it all perfectly clear and he addressed every single bit that i wanted to address.

Come on Judy, you sound a little ridiculous when you just flat out say "Everybody is hating on these people just because they are indians, Im the only person thats not" - thats what you sound like. Why is it that you assume so? Why do you think everybody hates them, and why do you think everybody hates them specifically for that reason?

You also cant forget basic politics. Why does the Bush and the government need to shut up and just do something - he is the president on this country, and i believe he is doing the best he can for the better of this country. Just like Krummhorn said, should we just start letting everybody who wants to come in in? Everybody is not gonna fit you know. I respect these indiginous tribes, I am very much with you guys when you say that white people totally cheated them out of their land, killed off a lot of them, all that stuff- I agree. And I sympathise with them, but forgive me about thinking about myself, my family, and my country first.
 

methodistgirl

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I'm sorry.:cry: I let my emotions get hold of me and I'm too soft hearted
for my own good sometimes and a little stuborn.
judy tooley
 

Muza

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no, please dont be sorry, thats the last thing i wanted to make you - sorry :rolleyes:. I think the majority of people do understand that white people did indigenous populations wrong, just as they once did Africans wrong, when they brought them in for the purposes of trading. They do, but at the same time, you cannot, as a country, live in a past, live with a constant guilt.
 

Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
When the two main political parties in the USA give-up on their duty of enforcing Immigration and Border Security laws then its time to boot out the whole lot of them from office, be they Democrat or Republican and tried for Treason. Time has come for Americans from sea to shining sea to reclaim and liberate their country from the demoniacal and tyrannical clutches of Washington D.C.
 

intet_at_tabe

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret.)
Thanks Corno and Margaret. I needed that.
judy tooley

Ms. Judy

To some extend, I do agree with you. US policies for decades towards South America and the hispanic population, have been to buy cheep labour and to exploid women in generel for prostitution.

Not long ago, about two years or so, all the illegal immigrants 13 million of them from South America demonstrated and protested against the rules of visa and the right to get a green card and a passport as ordinary naturalised americans. Like the japanese-americans, the chinese-americans, the italian-americans have had for years, when hispanics actually work every day on huge farms of agriculture in the southern USA for 1/5 of minimum wages - invited by these plantation owners.

Do any of you guys think that plantation owners where oranges or lemons for instance are cultured and harwested, would have any interests whatsoever in suddenly paying minimum wages to hispanichs, if they all at one time became naturalised americans. It would be an increase of 500-700 percent per hour to every foreign worker from South America.

As it is now, the plantation owners keep the slavery of cheep labour intact. They house the workers and they get food and water, plus a few dollars, which are not reported to the US IRS, equals what a family in the Third World countries have to survive poer day.

So beside the 47 million unemployed, houseless naturalised Americans - The gropu titled the so called Lazy America, who have been born in the USA and whose family relatives can be tracked five generations back as natural Americans like everybody else, the government of the USA has this group of 13 million hispanic people, and the question is - What to do with them? Though all these people have been invited to work the huge farms in the south - to become a part of the American Dream, which of course they were never intended to be.

Look to Wiki on slavery going back to the old testament (Exodus), and then you´ll see it never ended in America, it only changed it´s form, shape and aim from the african americans to the mexicans and every other hispanic and to sex slavery these years.

Remember the novel by John Steinbeck "Grapes of Wrath", where JS includes hispanics into slavery in the agriculture world since the year 1900 - and it´s still going on.
 
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methodistgirl

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I know of one mexican family that lives here in Madisonville. They are
very successful with their resturant business called El Basero. Their
mexican resturant is a real delight when you go there for lunch. Unlike
Taco Bell, they use roast beef to make the taco salad and ingredients
that I never heard of which taste like heaven in your mouth. I have
tried the mexican chocolate and I just love it. It taste like hot cocoa
with cinnamon. These guys are not doing cheep labor. The resturant
business can be tough and not so cheep. This family started out with
nothing but the poverty they came with. Now they are a success.
I can tell which ones are Mayan and which ones are not.
The short ones are the Mayan mexicans because they
are short. The Astez are the tall and big ones.
judy tooley
 

Muza

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Intet, I agree and disagree with you.
Yes, it is like slavery, but it also is not. Its a cheap hard labor, in which it is very similar to slavery.
On the other hand however, you talk about us inviting them in to do that labor - that is not true. There has never been any invitations to come here and do this hard labor - these are illegal immigrants who cross the border and agree to do this hard labor for 1/5 of the pay, because they dont have a choice.
They are not forced to come here, not forced to work here and receive less money and live in poor conditions. But if they stay and do so, these conditions must be better that the alternative - Mexico. So, in this respect i do not agree that its slavery.

If you are interested, I write blogs on issues like this at politicalbooth.com. And if you register and mention Murzik (me ;)) I would be eternally grateful to you ;). You dont need to register to read the blogs however.
 

intet_at_tabe

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret.)
Intet, I agree and disagree with you.
Yes, it is like slavery, but it also is not. Its a cheap hard labor, in which it is very similar to slavery.
On the other hand however, you talk about us inviting them in to do that labor - that is not true. There has never been any invitations to come here and do this hard labor - these are illegal immigrants who cross the border and agree to do this hard labor for 1/5 of the pay, because they dont have a choice.
They are not forced to come here, not forced to work here and receive less money and live in poor conditions. But if they stay and do so, these conditions must be better that the alternative - Mexico. So, in this respect i do not agree that its slavery.

If you are interested, I write blogs on issues like this at politicalbooth.com. And if you register and mention Murzik (me ;)) I would be eternally grateful to you ;). You dont need to register to read the blogs however.

Muza dear, respectfully :tiphat:

I agree and disagree with you, respectfully.

I began writing an answer to you, but had to give up this early in the morning. However I will in the afternoon.

Thank you for the link to www.politicalbooth.com I´ll check it out.
 

Muza

New member
Intet,
I gotta admit - its much easier to argue with a tired brain, but definitely not as much fun ;) So, I'll meet you back here tomorrow!
 

intet_at_tabe

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret.)
Intet,
I gotta admit - its much easier to argue with a tired brain, but definitely not as much fun ;) So, I'll meet you back here tomorrow!

Well Muza dear

Thank you for recognising, I have a brain, sometimes even I wonder when talking to the wild bunch here? :rolleyes::grin:;):) However, I try not to argue or be here at all - though the addiction has tremendous influence - when I am tired, since it´s no fun for me and especially no one else. Like I said, I agree and disagree with you. :grin::grin::D:D:D:D

Anyways, I hope you´ve had your morning coffee.

I agree with you that the US neither on the federel level nor on the local level never have put adds to the news papers looking for slaves for the plantations in the south of the USA from 1600-2008. What I meant was, the organised slavery is in your history for more than 375 years as a legal tradition and in your culture, your economical growth, your buisnesses and churches as well.

Mostly because of having purchased slaves "legally" to be a property for money. In America everything have a price, and if you have enough money, you can buy or receive from other sources sometimes illegal - There are no moral limits towards the individual American.

But let me first state this. I do not speak on behalf of Europeans, nor the Danes or any Mimf´s. Also I am not speaking for or against religion on the individual scenario towards faith in the Lord and Jesus Christ, but as a historian of your society and the society of Europe from the beginning around 1600 to 2008 according to slavery and it´s evolvement from the cotton and sugar fields, over the orange and lemon plantations, to prostitution and sex slavery - the latest edition of slavery as a buisness and a billion dollar "success".

One of the major differences between Europe/the rest of the world and America are the facts, that you have achieved to become a union of states and the one country in the world as the USA, with more innovative thinking for America, more progress in technology and medicin, factories and the industrialism itself with new creations/inventions throughout most departments of your society in only less than 225 years, counted from the day you told England of your Declaration of Independency in 1776. Most of these initiatives turned into economical successes. Except the normal developements of social equallity among americans in a democracy according to your own Constitution, where you completely failed - and in this both political parties. You still have a controvercy between Republicans and Democrats or blue states against red states. The difference between rich and poor are bigger in America than in any other western country.

You are the number 1 in the world, when it comes to marketing on anything whatsoever from the TV, to marine biologi, the Armstrong Moon Walk, the Ford and later the SUV´s - to prostitution and pornography (72% of the entire world market on DVD´s and video tapes) to MacDonalds Fast Food Chain of restaurents, and the incredible total power within the most lethal killing machine - your military forces - equals the military complex, who always makes the profit, supported by and owned by caucation whites with tight relations to religious supremacy, which all have had an incredible succes world wide in less than fourty years. These items and examples of how to change a natural thing (sex) and having food (MacDonalds) and to defend yourself into a world wide billion dollars buisness, also about the producing and distribution of weapons worldwide which often signifies, what the USA is all about. You have become the only SUPER power of the world and at the same time the only democratical country in the western world, where religion still has huge influence in politics and towards the continued slavery, only on a new group.

But here I only speak of slavery in the below mentioned periods:

1) From the first settlers came to North America to your Declaration of Independence towards England.

2) From this event, where you ended being former Europeans, to become Americans, over the civil war - North against South. Slavery was prohibitted.

3) From the Civil War over the KKK movement to the 1930´s. Slavery was still prohibitted by law, but unofficially still working under the controle of slave trafickkers and people of racism - the KKK.

4) The ending of WWII initiating two never seen before atom bombs with a devasting power of destruction over Hiroshima and Nagasiki to the huge demonstrations in the south about Civil Rights until today 2008.

Throughout this entire period, the USA have enslaved colored people/African Americans and foreignors and it´s own people, who took the bate of - The American Dream, which can be considered like a huge magnet from all over the western world and the Third World towards the USA - "Let´s Go To San Francisco", the song we all remember.

But as we both know religion as a influencial powerful partner or force in society into politics is still a part of the USA political landscape, where as the Europeans left the Roman Catholic Church outside any whatsoever influence in political matters around 1789 - the French Revolution.

So while the Europeans fought the Roman Catholic Church (religion) also for it´s wealth, stolen for centuries by Rome and the Pope throughout the world, USA was not a part of this revolution and decrease of power for religion towards politics and the military. On the contrary, your religious leaders increased their influence into politics, like Jerry Farwell and his baptist movement Moral Majority in the middle of the 1970´s moving into the 1980´s.

So the USA today, as a former Danish secretary of Defence said: The USA and it´s citizens have become a country of pretenders. The slaughter of the native Americans and the segregation and racism towards the African Americans are yours alone, but most people in America do not consider this important, and not something foreignors have the right to stick their noses into. Hey guys: We saved your a...s in the WWII, so please butt out.

So what I am saying is the 47 million americans, who are unemployed, who have no regular adress, who can not pay for hospitalisation, who have no social insurance are americans like you, but really slaves of a failed economical system, which do not provide for them. Most well of americans today are ashamed of this increasing group, and feel they should not pay more taxes to help this group.

The same goes for the immigrants, who as you say have not had an official invitation by the US government, but like everybody else are drawn to the USA in the hope that they all will prosper, simply because they are inside the USA legally or illegally. So when first there, what are they going to do, except work for much less than minimum vages - they do not have a choice. That´s slavery.

So this group all together counts 60 million people out of 300 mill. people, equals 1 out of every 5, who can not make it to be a part of the American Dream. They are all slaves of a failed welfare system, like we know that most US soldiers in Iraq right now, have been drafted in areas of the USA with less education and less employment. Never from Harward, nor Yale or Princeton.

Soldiers have always been slaves of political warmongers towards military conflicts and wars, since soldiering means to obey an order and not use your own head to decide. If you disobey an order from a higher ranking officer, even unlisted officers or the drill Sargent, you might end up in Leavenworth for incibordination or on a charge of betrayel.

The rich citizens in America can mostly do whatever they please inside the law or outside the law and your Constitution, and this group has decreased in numbers, while the poor uneducated group has increased by 100 times over the past decades since the WWII.

Py Ha!! Respectfully and humbly from someone in Denmark, who is very disapointed with the current admin because it only increases poverty and unequallity among americans and basicly produce more losers and slaves of the same system, which never looked their way.
 
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Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Dear Intet,

I must respectfully disagree with your *misinformed* description of America. But you are most certainly within your right to say what you wish. After having moved to America from Scandinavia I find that Scandinavians, generally speaking, are manic about telling all other countries about their wrongs - never anything positive.

'nuff said...

Cheers,

CD :tiphat::tiphat::tiphat::tiphat:
 
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