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    I wonder what Krummhorn would say about this video?
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    I'll bet he's all for discipline when it is called for. You would think that most "sane" people would be...or should be.

    Stephen

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    Of course! What did the book of Proverbs say?
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    Time and time again I see this debate coming up on all manner of internet forums and it's at least encouraging to see that close to 100% of all contributors feel the same way about it as those who have posted here.

    I for one am sick to death with having my job made so bloody difficult by the wowsers who cry "abuse" the instant you lay a hand on a student. When I was at school, anyone who spoke out of turn or rudely answered back would get the back of the teachers hand, or in some instances, the cane (not that I ever got it of course!), but these days, it's de rigueur and a teacher can get into trouble for even shouting angrily at the students.

    I've also seen far worse examples on YouTube of Political-Correctness-gone-completely-insane. Even the term "Politically Correct" gets my dander up - this implies that it's "correct" to allow essentially no censorship on TV or radio so kids as young as 5 have access to vile and offensive language, and it's "correct" to allow anti-social and let's face it, downright nasty behaviours to go un-checked and without consequence?

    Political Correctness and it's love-child named "Absence of Discipline" has done more than most to completely arse up todays society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greatcyber View Post
    Margaret,

    We ARE on the same page.

    Stephen
    Stephen and Ms. Margaret

    Guys, are there room for one more on your page?

    We call President Bush for Junior, because of all the right reasons, like they do it in American newspapers.

    We also title President Junior as the 3 P´s - Picked - Payed for - and Puppeteered.

    Incredible what devastating results this alcoholic, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, has done to the former GREAT USA. In only eight years he and his republican government (the www.newamericancentury.com a fascist movement of fake Christian Crusadors for www.usforworldsupremacy.com) has turned the USA in to the most hated nation on the planet, at the same trime according to international anti-terror agencies - the worst ri9sk towards world peace, and of course President Junior´s announcement to the world the day he announced the invation of Iraq - against the rules of the U.N. and the rules on warfare, suggested by the USA in 1947 - the Geneva Convention and The Human Rights, which prohibits torture on any prisoner.

    Not unlike Adolf Hitler´s ideas of a thousand year Reich.

    They had it all, nothing was impossible untill President Junior and his warlovers took office to support the military complex with new government contracts - for more needless lies to support new relentless wars, killings, torture and the most important issue - more money for themselves, while 47 million Americans have nothing at all, not even a regular adress, but are shipped to skid row.
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    Hi Intet

    Welcome to the same page as Stephen and me.

    I agree, it is definately time Bush went, I think every country needs a leader who understands the basic needs of ordinary people. Our Prime Minister Brown lives in a free house, earns loads of money and doesn't have to worry where his next meal is comming from.

    But back on topic, I agree with Stephen that people should have to prove they can be resposible parents. A lot of the trouble on the streets over here are caused by very young children some as young as ten, where are the parents? Where were they when the children needed to be taught right from wrong, and to respect the elderly and disabled? If young children are caught doing a crime they should be punished but, so should their parents. In Redruth, a small town in Cornwall they have got a curfew on one estate, this is where children under 16 are not allowed on the streets after 10 o'clock. Well when I was a child my parents would not have let me be on the streets at that time, (good girl that I was, I was probably in bed.)

    So I am afraid there is a severe lack of disipline, which needs to be brought back quickly. And the parents should have the right to punish if need be, and the teachers.


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    This is all so true and so sad at the same time. Where ARE the parents? Off at work or playing tennis with the girls. In the states they refer to these young kids that are left home alone in the afternoon as "latch key kids." Why didn't their parents think about the needs of their upbringing before they decided to have them? Is career more important than child rearing? It's totally absurd and I believe it a form of child abuse.

    A child should be allowed to be disciplined by parents and teachers (even corporal punishment) when deemed appropriate. When a parent DOESN'T discipline, then the parent should be fined, punished or perhaps have their children taken away from them.

    There is a programme in the states called Super Nanny on the tellie where an experienced nanny goes into "troubled" homes where there are discipline problems (read no discipline). They think this is entertainment in America. It only shows that "political correctness" has gone way too far. Pity the children.

    They showed a teen who was a real snot and a behaviour problem that was swearing at her parents, just like in the video and the kid said "if you hit me, I'll call the authorities." Well, fine. Then the state can take them and put them in a group home...do they really think they will have it any better?

    Raising children is a challenge, I know, but that is something an ADULT should take into consideration before becoming a parent. Perhaps parenting classes should be added in school along with sex ed. Oops, that's right; you can't even teach the truth about sex ed in the states, thanks to junior, dubya or just stupid (as I prefer to name him).

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    Ah yes, Jo Frost, Super Nanny, she started over here. A very no nonsense lady, with her naughty step. She is very good though, I used to be a nanny so I understand where she is comming from. I never stood any nonsense from the children, hopefully they were all the better for it.

    Yes stick to pets, mind you if they said something rude to you you wouldn't know.


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    Here in my neck of the woods there are kids and even young adults
    that will cuss you out in a heartbeat and talk to you like a dog. If
    I did that to my parents I would be spitting out some teeth after I
    got back slapped. Some people act like they are scared of their kids.
    Then again I have seen the child welfare people stick their noses
    where it didn't belong because the parent did use discipline. The govern-
    ment needs to but out and take care of their own business.
    judy tooley

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    Here Here Judy


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    Kids get their direction from many sources these days and if you look at all the violent video games, bully behavior in school, parents with no input in their upbringing, its no wonder they turn out to be what they are. I think that every child should be taken to a 3rd world country for a week to see people dying from lack of things these children take for granted. Next, they should spend a week in an old age home to see how and where we all end up (if we are fortunate). Next, they need a week in jail, to learn why we should strive to stay out of it. Finally, a trip to Indonesia, where you get 10 whacks on each of your bare feet with a cane, for spitting gum on the sidewalk, or spraying graffiti on a public place. Perspective is what they lack, first and foremost, and a lack of direct accountability for their actions follows closely behind. People ask me why I have no kids and I promptly answer, "I couldn't sleep at night worrying about the stuff they get into"

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    I agree 100%. When I was a kid I was the rebellious type when I became
    a teenager. I even tried teenage sex. Man was that stupid. Thanks to
    this stubborn body and thank goodness I didn't get into trouble like some
    young girls with an unwanted child. Oh when my parents found out.
    It felt like Judgment day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by methodistgirl View Post
    I wonder what Krummhorn would say about this video? judy tooley
    Firstly, that first video was "fabricated" ... Obviously, there were two video cameras being used ... how else could "Mommy" have had her face (while holding the camera) also be photographed. And then the camera gets placed on the floor in "perfect position" to capture the mom helping the cable man? Uhuh ... Just what we need is more video violence on top of what the movie industry is producing lately.

    The parent posting that video on YouTube is, imho, just as bad as the kid who is using the foul language. We don't get enough of this crap everyday and most everywhere we go these days that now a parent has to "queue" their child into saying bad words into a video camera, and then feeling compelled to upload it into a public space?

    If that had been real life, the kid would not have had a second chance to say those words again, let alone on tape. She said something like "wait until your father gets home ..." which is totally wrong. If mommy can't handle the situation when it occurs and has to video tape it AND wait for daddy to handle it later, then she is seriously lacking parental control.

    Of course, when daddy gets home after being gone all day long, and having possibly endured a hard day at work, before he can even grab a cold brew or remove his shoes, he is then immediately thrust into this "situation" and forced to deal with a situation that the mommy refused to handle or deal with earlier.

    When the punishment is given, the daddy takes the hit for it, and mommy comes out of the "situation" smelling like a rose and then offers comfort to the child, making daddy look like a total boob. I can see that marriage is heading for the rocks.

    Mommy should have taken the kids sunglasses away, took her cell phone, iPod (Etc) and sent the obviously spoiled brat to her room ... before running for the camera.

    Quote Originally Posted by greatcyber View Post
    I'll bet he's all for discipline when it is called for. You would think that most "sane" people would be...or should be.
    Stephen
    You bet I am, Stephen ... I learned the hard way and spent many hours standing in a corner cause my rear was so sore and red that I couldn't sit down. But you know what? I never ever again made that same mistake again - I was not "rewarded" (like the brat in the video) for my wrong doings ... punishment was instantaneous. We didn't have the internet, mobile phones, iPods ... our punishment consisted of time constraints on various things - no swimming in the backyard pool for a week, no friends over or going to a friends house for a week, it was go to school, come home, do homework, eat dinner and be sent to your room. It drove the point home very quickly.

    Thanks to today society, parents can no longer invoke reasonable physical punishment ... and I think that is totally wrong. All the kid has to do these days is call 911 and the parents are thrown into jail, and the kid removed to a foster home ... that's totally wrong, too.

    Ok, there are kids that are purposely being abused by very sick people ... and the laws are trying to protect those kids and I am all in favor of that ... but in a respectable family unit, the parents need to have more lateral control in order to establish healthy relationships.
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    I agree that video was fabricated and very uneccessary, I don't know if someone thought it was funny to make that. Instant punishment is what is needed. My husband is one of triplets, when they were young they would act up. My mother-in-law was told to fill the kitchen sink with cold water and sit them in it, that stopped them, they didn't do that again.


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    Behavior like this stems from poor discipline instruction early on. It's disgustingly too often the case that a couple of sorts lay down together to make a child for themselves without preparing for the task ahead. "I want a baby", is far too often said. How many times have you heard one say something to the effect, "I wonder how our child could benefit this world"?

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