What happened to Discipline?

methodistgirl

New member
I couldn't agree more with what people have said here. When my daughter steps out of line, I bloody her nose and beat her legs until I can see the whip marks. I mean, if I can't see the blood and whip marks, how do I know that I got through to her? After that she knows who's boss. The other day she came home from school and turned the tv on before doing her homework! I back handed her so hard that she actually fell over the side of the couch and knocked her self silly. lol. It was awesome. When she finally came to, she was crying and carrying on and saying that her head hurt too much to do her homework, so of course I took off my belt and lifted it over my head and told her, "I don't care about your damned head, you do your homework right now or I'll REALLY make your head hurt!" That got her ass moving.

I treat my wife the same way. When ever she does something I don't like, I smack her across the face and beat her with my belt. Then she knows who's boss. Yesterday I came home from work and dinner wasn't even started so I hit her in the mouth. Split her lip open and nearly knocked out a tooth! Dinner got made REAL fast after that! What I don't get is people who think that beating your children is ok but that beating your wife isn't! I mean, what kind of sense does that make? At least my wife can put up a fight!

I mean, how else could we possible teach people not to do things we don't like? When a kid on the the street sticks his tongue out at me, I hit him. When a guy bumps into me on the street I hit him. When the maitre d at a restaurant rudely tells me that they have no tables open I hit him. Thank God we live in a country where people still understand that violence is the way of the world and that any parent that doesn't violently assault their children is a bad parent. I know in my heart of hearts that if Jesus were walking by and he saw me beating my daughter, he would smile and applaud...

That isn't discipline. A good spanking should do the trick not a beating.
judy tooley
 

Contratrombone64

Admiral of Fugues
Judy, don't stop from posting what you think is good. I enjoy your posts a lot, the fact that one person who cannot have a sane argument without turning it personal vendetta (who I now have on my ignore list) is tedious and irrelevant.
 

rojo

(Ret)
Interesting; here is a list of countries that have banned corporal punishment of children.

Sweden - 1979
Finland - 1983
Norway - 1987
Austria - 1989
Cyprus - 1994
Italy - 1996
Denmark - 1997
Latvia - 1998
Croatia - 1999
Bulgaria - 2000
Germany - 2000
Israel - 2000
Iceland - 2003
Romania - 2004
Ukraine - 2004
Hungary - 2005
Greece - 2007
Netherlands - 2007
Portugal - 2007
New Zealand - 2007
Uruguay - 2007
Venezuela - 2007
Costa Rica - 2008

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin2.htm


 

JLS

Member
CT,

Prior to this conflict, I have always liked you and found you to be a reasonable person. I think it unfortunate that we could not find a way to discuss this issue with better results. I understand that I have been aggressive, and why you are upset, but I also think that you, as a reasonable adult, should acknowledge that your posts were just as much to blame for my aggression. You refused to address me with honesty. Perhaps I should have let that go, but I think that it is unfair to expect me to do so when you call everything I say into question but don't have the courtesy to respond to my points with the honesty that I respond to yours.
 
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Sylvie Pacey

New member
whatever happened to discipline

Hi Guys and Girls, I don't know why I have just been inspired to write the enclosed attachment but hope that it carries a message to us all, including me. Sylvie (Hope I have attached correctly)
 

Sylvie Pacey

New member
Looks like attachment hasn't worked So here goes
Self Righteousness
Sometimes its good to look inside ourselves to find that we
Are not the perfect people that we thought ourselves to be.
Masterminding criminals perhaps we will not find
But there are little crimes somehow, we carry in our mind.
Too swift to judge another who has fallen by the way
Instead of seeking reasons behind their souls decay.
They may not find life easy, living on the edge of fear
Afraid to ask for help from those who turn a deafened ear.
Beaten by the system that was put in place to care
Because Bureaucracy is soul-less and it is not always fair.
It does not have a beating heart, just forms that must be filled.
Unable then to offer the compassion it has killed.
But we as individuals can rectify such faults
By offering a helping hand just like our Master taught.
The tiny mote inside another's eye that we can see
Is insignificant compared to the Self-Righteous 'ME'.
Judge not, my friend, for when at last, we have ourselves to face,
Pray final judgment will be tempered by "Redeeming Grace" Sylvie
 

methodistgirl

New member
AFter reading some of these post discipline doesn't just go to the kids.
It goes on after we are adults as well. Believe me I have to constantly
discipline myself one way or other. Don't you get mad at yourself for
doing something stupid? I know I do a lot of times. For example you
are at a very respectful place like church or in a court somewhere as
jury duty or at a funeral and so on; there is always that Froidian slip
of the tongue that can happen or you forget where you are and start
looking around. That can be enbarrassing where you want to hide.
I know that we need to learn from our mistakes but mistakes can land
us in jail or in the hospital if they are big enough. Sometimes I wonder
if I will ever learn from them. That's when I have to discipline myself
and that isn't pretty sometimes. I have to go to the ladies room for
that. Do any of you have that problem?
judy tooley
 

marval

New member
Yes, you are not alone Judy, I have to discipline myself sometimes. You must not worry about it, it is easily done. I am sure the discipline you had as a child helped you to become the person you are, the person we all like here.


Margaret
 

methodistgirl

New member
Thank you Margaret. I needed that. To tell you the truth I was refering
to the ones that were all ready teenagers who acted like brats. These
kids aren't too old for a good spanking when they cuss, abuse their
parents, get pregnant at 12 and more. That kind of behaviour will
wind them in prison someday if they continue. Look at all of the school
shootings in the past 10 years. Hundreds of lives were ended that
had a future somewhere. Teachers who probably were good teachers
who lost their lives. It all started when a particular kid is picked on
and was at his or her wits end. There should be a teacher, principal,
another studient, or even a hired guard to keep their eyes open and
ears open to something like that. That kid probably was also probably
abused at home verbaly which took it toll too. Verbal abuse always
will go on being called names and it hurts and leaves scars that will
never heal. There are some kids that are really nice and will do any
thing for a good deed. Sometimes the parents need discipline when
overheard calling their kid names or being too strict when they should
ease up some.
judy tooley
 

marval

New member
I agree Judy, sometimes it is the parents who need to be disciplined. How can the children be expected to have good manners when their parents don't. Some parents need to be taught the right way to bring up their children.


Margaret
 

Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Blessed GrandDame Margaret,

I doff my hat in total submissive honor to your excellent statement.

Cheers.

CD :tiphat::tiphat::tiphat:
 

marval

New member
Thank you CD, I have known parents who have done a very good job with their children. Unfortunately there are some who have not done such a good job, most children will behave in the way they are brought up.


Margaret
 

methodistgirl

New member
I will agree 100%. Some adults don't make good parents. I myself
don't think I would have made a good parent. I'm too nervious around
kids. Especially the little ones.
judy tooley
 

drummergirlamie

New member
The parents certainly have the greater deal to do with it in terms of influence, sure.

Modeling after one's parents is what all do in all cultures to one degree or another provided they share the first years together.

They say that society raises a child and that certainly has it's base to an extent, but it's amazing (from my observation, anyway) how a few decent guiding principals can prepare a child for social interaction, which has always been one of the stronger indicators as to how well one will perform in this life.

Parents are the first and most influential impression.
 

Strunch

New member
There should be a drivers license for parenting, but I'm sure that would result in a few Oscar winning movies about the pooooor good-minded parents who failed the test, only to be united with their child in the end - in a sunset - in the carribean - on a boat. Fighting the evil society that didn't let them spoil their dear child into a criminal anti-social ADHD-wreck. Oh my.
 

teddy

Duckmeister
The problems in England started when parents became afraid to say no. Children should be free to express themselves, good, but not to be rude or abusive. They should not be denied anything they want or be blamed for anything they do or you are a bad parent. It is always someone elses fault never theirs. My neighbours children broke into my garden, damaged plants, poured petrol on some others and stole items (of little value it is true). Despite some of the items being found in their garden the parents denied everything and blamed others. When one of my daughters got into the wrong crowd at school she came home and admitted shoplifting. We took her back to the shop where she underwent an uncomfortable interview with the manager, a lecture from me and the next day it was not mentioned again. That was the only incident, and we were never had any trouble again. The secret is not to be afraid to say no, or punish them when they are in the wrong. A short sharp shook that they will remember and stay with them for life. It is gratifying to see that they use the same menthods with their children and it works. A quick smack if it is something like being rude to an adult can work wonders as long as you spend enough time talking to them when they are young and explaining right from wrong. I have regretted the few occassions when I have smacked any of my children but I do believe that sometimes tough love is better than leting them get away with what may turn out to be murder at a later date. Anyone who wants an insite into the criminal mind could do worse than read "In Cold Blood" by Trueman Capote. You can see how these two youg men turned to murder throuh a lack of good parenting and disipline.
teddy
 

methodistgirl

New member
I know all about it. I remember that my parents didn't use a
Dr. Spock book to raise me. They used the Bible's rules and
believe me it works. There is one proverb in it that says
"Teach the child the ways you have them to go and they won't
depart from it." I know how it is here. Teenagers are using more
profanity than the last generation. To me that's shocking to
hear a fowl mouth in gear full of filthy words and cussing.
The Lord's name doesn't end with a D.
judy tooley
 

Contratrombone64

Admiral of Fugues
Here's some good, wholesome advice from the Bible (Deuteronomy):

22.5

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] thy God.

Damn it, there's goes my drag routines and all my female friends who wear trousers are condemned!

22.3

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbor's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

Just don't get this one at all, poor damsel and poor husband

Shall I continue??
 
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teddy

Duckmeister
CT
Where were you when I was geting married? I am sure that if you had quoted that second one it would have saved me. We would have spent too much time trying to work out what it meant!
teddy
 
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