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    Quote Originally Posted by JLS View Post
    I couldn't agree more with what people have said here. When my daughter steps out of line, I bloody her nose and beat her legs until I can see the whip marks. I mean, if I can't see the blood and whip marks, how do I know that I got through to her? After that she knows who's boss. The other day she came home from school and turned the tv on before doing her homework! I back handed her so hard that she actually fell over the side of the couch and knocked her self silly. lol. It was awesome. When she finally came to, she was crying and carrying on and saying that her head hurt too much to do her homework, so of course I took off my belt and lifted it over my head and told her, "I don't care about your damned head, you do your homework right now or I'll REALLY make your head hurt!" That got her ass moving.

    I treat my wife the same way. When ever she does something I don't like, I smack her across the face and beat her with my belt. Then she knows who's boss. Yesterday I came home from work and dinner wasn't even started so I hit her in the mouth. Split her lip open and nearly knocked out a tooth! Dinner got made REAL fast after that! What I don't get is people who think that beating your children is ok but that beating your wife isn't! I mean, what kind of sense does that make? At least my wife can put up a fight!

    I mean, how else could we possible teach people not to do things we don't like? When a kid on the the street sticks his tongue out at me, I hit him. When a guy bumps into me on the street I hit him. When the maitre d at a restaurant rudely tells me that they have no tables open I hit him. Thank God we live in a country where people still understand that violence is the way of the world and that any parent that doesn't violently assault their children is a bad parent. I know in my heart of hearts that if Jesus were walking by and he saw me beating my daughter, he would smile and applaud...
    That isn't discipline. A good spanking should do the trick not a beating.
    judy tooley

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    Judy, don't stop from posting what you think is good. I enjoy your posts a lot, the fact that one person who cannot have a sane argument without turning it personal vendetta (who I now have on my ignore list) is tedious and irrelevant.
    I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.
    —Albert Einstein.

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    Thank you Contra. That's my hand shake.
    judy tooley

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    Interesting; here is a list of countries that have banned corporal punishment of children.

    Sweden - 1979
    Finland - 1983
    Norway - 1987
    Austria - 1989
    Cyprus - 1994
    Italy - 1996
    Denmark - 1997
    Latvia - 1998
    Croatia - 1999
    Bulgaria - 2000
    Germany - 2000
    Israel - 2000
    Iceland - 2003
    Romania - 2004
    Ukraine - 2004
    Hungary - 2005
    Greece - 2007
    Netherlands - 2007
    Portugal - 2007
    New Zealand - 2007
    Uruguay - 2007
    Venezuela - 2007
    Costa Rica - 2008

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin2.htm


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    CT,

    Prior to this conflict, I have always liked you and found you to be a reasonable person. I think it unfortunate that we could not find a way to discuss this issue with better results. I understand that I have been aggressive, and why you are upset, but I also think that you, as a reasonable adult, should acknowledge that your posts were just as much to blame for my aggression. You refused to address me with honesty. Perhaps I should have let that go, but I think that it is unfair to expect me to do so when you call everything I say into question but don't have the courtesy to respond to my points with the honesty that I respond to yours.
    Last edited by JLS; Dec-17-2009 at 08:45.

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    whatever happened to discipline

    Hi Guys and Girls, I don't know why I have just been inspired to write the enclosed attachment but hope that it carries a message to us all, including me. Sylvie (Hope I have attached correctly)

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    Looks like attachment hasn't worked So here goes
    Self Righteousness
    Sometimes its good to look inside ourselves to find that we
    Are not the perfect people that we thought ourselves to be.
    Masterminding criminals perhaps we will not find
    But there are little crimes somehow, we carry in our mind.
    Too swift to judge another who has fallen by the way
    Instead of seeking reasons behind their souls decay.
    They may not find life easy, living on the edge of fear
    Afraid to ask for help from those who turn a deafened ear.
    Beaten by the system that was put in place to care
    Because Bureaucracy is soul-less and it is not always fair.
    It does not have a beating heart, just forms that must be filled.
    Unable then to offer the compassion it has killed.
    But we as individuals can rectify such faults
    By offering a helping hand just like our Master taught.
    The tiny mote inside another's eye that we can see
    Is insignificant compared to the Self-Righteous 'ME'.
    Judge not, my friend, for when at last, we have ourselves to face,
    Pray final judgment will be tempered by "Redeeming Grace" Sylvie

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    AFter reading some of these post discipline doesn't just go to the kids.
    It goes on after we are adults as well. Believe me I have to constantly
    discipline myself one way or other. Don't you get mad at yourself for
    doing something stupid? I know I do a lot of times. For example you
    are at a very respectful place like church or in a court somewhere as
    jury duty or at a funeral and so on; there is always that Froidian slip
    of the tongue that can happen or you forget where you are and start
    looking around. That can be enbarrassing where you want to hide.
    I know that we need to learn from our mistakes but mistakes can land
    us in jail or in the hospital if they are big enough. Sometimes I wonder
    if I will ever learn from them. That's when I have to discipline myself
    and that isn't pretty sometimes. I have to go to the ladies room for
    that. Do any of you have that problem?
    judy tooley

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    Yes, you are not alone Judy, I have to discipline myself sometimes. You must not worry about it, it is easily done. I am sure the discipline you had as a child helped you to become the person you are, the person we all like here.


    Margaret

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    Thank you Margaret. I needed that. To tell you the truth I was refering
    to the ones that were all ready teenagers who acted like brats. These
    kids aren't too old for a good spanking when they cuss, abuse their
    parents, get pregnant at 12 and more. That kind of behaviour will
    wind them in prison someday if they continue. Look at all of the school
    shootings in the past 10 years. Hundreds of lives were ended that
    had a future somewhere. Teachers who probably were good teachers
    who lost their lives. It all started when a particular kid is picked on
    and was at his or her wits end. There should be a teacher, principal,
    another studient, or even a hired guard to keep their eyes open and
    ears open to something like that. That kid probably was also probably
    abused at home verbaly which took it toll too. Verbal abuse always
    will go on being called names and it hurts and leaves scars that will
    never heal. There are some kids that are really nice and will do any
    thing for a good deed. Sometimes the parents need discipline when
    overheard calling their kid names or being too strict when they should
    ease up some.
    judy tooley

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    I agree Judy, sometimes it is the parents who need to be disciplined. How can the children be expected to have good manners when their parents don't. Some parents need to be taught the right way to bring up their children.


    Margaret

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    Blessed GrandDame Margaret,

    I doff my hat in total submissive honor to your excellent statement.

    Cheers.

    CD
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    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

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    Thank you CD, I have known parents who have done a very good job with their children. Unfortunately there are some who have not done such a good job, most children will behave in the way they are brought up.


    Margaret

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    I will agree 100%. Some adults don't make good parents. I myself
    don't think I would have made a good parent. I'm too nervious around
    kids. Especially the little ones.
    judy tooley

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    The parents certainly have the greater deal to do with it in terms of influence, sure.

    Modeling after one's parents is what all do in all cultures to one degree or another provided they share the first years together.

    They say that society raises a child and that certainly has it's base to an extent, but it's amazing (from my observation, anyway) how a few decent guiding principals can prepare a child for social interaction, which has always been one of the stronger indicators as to how well one will perform in this life.

    Parents are the first and most influential impression.

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