The Evolution Myth

sunwaiter

New member
"Quote:
concerning what is called microevolution: why a long... long... yes, long indeed, succession of microevoluiton would't be the evolution process itself?
looks, at last, as a statement. Great, after this thread has got to the page 9,
I can finally see what your point is."

No, i don't think you do. because i'm not affirming anything, i'm not saying i KNOW because you can't prove this or that. did i assert that i had the recipe for creating new species? all i'm saying is that having faith in a creator and not having all the satisfying answers (by your standards )to contradict, complete, or question ID theory allows anyone to say scientific research is useless concerning the origins of life and species. as i have already said, i am not a scientist, but i can use my own capacity of judgment (and what you call common sense - an infinitly re-definable concept) to make my opinion. that's why i'm digging.
 
Corno Dolce

Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Aloha sunwaiter,

Neither Robert Newman, Andrew Roussak or I are trying to impose a god/godess on you - wake up already, dear bruddah.

Cheerio,

CD :):):)
 

sunwaiter

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Corno,

i know already that Andrew and Robert, who have been quite gentlemen to me on this thread, are not trying to impose anything on me, except the creationist view.

if you had read the right lines, you'd have understood why i wrote this.
 

sunwaiter

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but at my working place, i do have someone who's always harrassing us with her almost declared need to convert us to Islam... ;) and she's not as easy to talk with as with you!
 
Corno Dolce

Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Aloha sunwaiter,

I have with interest been following the exchange between you and Robert and Andrew and I understand why you wrote the way you did. I'm sorry to hear that you are being harassed by your muslim missionary colleague.

Cheers,

CD :):):)
 

sunwaiter

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and now it is time to thank you and in a more appropriate way for your all-time attention. i am adressing to all those who share what they know and what they have experienced. i find it great. you know, i've always been kind of an "artist", much into creative impulses (note the humility perspiring here ;)), with a natural weakness for drawing, playing music, writing lots of stuff, but with so little taste and ability to approach mathematics and science in general. in my elementary years of school, that is to say before i was 11, i already knew sciences were not my thing. today i still have problems with numbers. i mean, i've been through the cash register nightmare shortly but long enough to confirm this! it is funny and enjoyable to think that people who introduced me to Mendel's Laws (Robert) and those who are uncompromisingly interested in the climate topic (you, Corno, for instance!) happened to be on a forum i initially visited to talk about music!

that's what i like about life, even through a computer monitor; odd things happen, and it's allright!

i'd be glad if the following pleases whoever listens to it:

Byrd
http://www.deezer.com/track/1514338

Bach
http://www.deezer.com/track/1704890

Drake
http://www.deezer.com/track/28439

James
http://www.deezer.com/track/41207

Renbourn
http://www.deezer.com/track/2052608

Harper
http://www.deezer.com/track/54030

good night or day!
 
Andrew Roussak

Andrew Roussak

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sunwaiter said:
but at my working place, i do have someone who's always harrassing us with her almost declared need to convert us to Islam... ;) and she's not as easy to talk with as with you!
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Hi Sunwaiter,

I may only look like a gentleman ( thank you ! ). You and CD have just - without knowing it - uncovered my secret plan. As this tread will reach the page 59, and your very last exhausted answer will be " Ok, ok!!! I agree, what and where do I have to sign???" , you will be emailed a PDF attachment saying : "Sign here. There is no God except Allah and Mahomet his Holy Prophet".

Have a great ( still free ) evening!
Andrew:)
 

sunwaiter

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LOL! where's my "important event special" pen?

hope some of the tunes fit your tastes. you already know music doesn't always need words, and is really universal.
 
Robert Newman

Robert Newman

Banned
Hi there Sunwaiter,

Yes, absolutely. It's better to have the right attitude in a conversation and even in life than to have full knowledge of it.

Thanks for your courtesy.

Robert
 

sunwaiter

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hey i'm still digging (for myself, not to annoy you all), and like on any forum, i've found this thread:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread367757/pg1

there is 12 pages up to now, and it was interesting, funny, more or less revealing, etc reading it (i took some time to read maybe two thirds of the whole thing) and it is true that as one of the posters simply put it, that this kind of topic is the scene of real hardheadedness! there are people who say nonsense for the fun of it, there are those who are very well cultivated on certain matters, there are extremists, there are "non-commital", there are blind people, conceding people, maybe some professors, some street-sweepers... we sometimes must have sounded like some of them, (minus the not too polite manners sometimes displayed) and lots of other people on lots of other forums, wether physical or on the internet.

you may not find this link interesting as i do, and you might not have the time to browse through the numerous pages, but i wanted to share it with you.
 
Robert Newman

Robert Newman

Banned
The process known as 'reverse mutation' is the biggest, most important, but least studied aspect of living things. Yet it offers amazing possibilities for medicine (for the tackling of many illnesses and diseases) if we can learn from nature itself how it actually works and can use its lessons in medicine. But these discoveries, these unlearned lessons, will remain forever beyond reach of mankind and of medicine as a science for as long as the 'evolution of species' dominates the education and thinking of students on the subject of life and its history.

Anyway, thank you for the conversation and best wishes

Robert
 
Andrew Roussak

Andrew Roussak

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Hi Sunwaiter,

I have just visited this ( you have posted the link )

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread367757/pg1

Well, as you see there are actually pretty the same arguments from both sides as those already discussed here, with some slight variations maybe. Have you found anything new?

For myself, I could very unlikely take part in such forum. I hate it when people behave themselves as if they were on a fish market and use the appropriate lexicon. It always works provocative on me, and all I have to say here - hat's off to Ben Scholz ( or how was the name of that poster there ) for his patience.

MIMF seems to be a really blessed place in this regard...
 

sunwaiter

New member
yeah, patience's the key word!

it's true, MIMF is one of the not so many internet places where people are generally respectful towards a simple convention that consists in not calling each other names!
 
Robert Newman

Robert Newman

Banned
Hi there Sunwaiter,

If we set to one side our assumption, our academic education, that the organic evolution of species MUST have happened we approach such issues fairly and honestly. Let's also set to one side any assumption that creation can be proved. It's obvious that dogmas of any kind are useless. But it we approach this subject honestly, with a desire to see what nature is really telling us we arrive, inevitably, at the realisation that the creation of species really has happened. For we discover only order and more order. We discover that species are not some vague abstraction but are really living entities which are fixed in a fundamental way. Interacting with other species in a system of nature. But we only learn this if we are honest, with ourselves and with the facts under examination.

We cannot claim, as 'evolutionists' we are being honest if evolutionary dogmas are the only source of our knowledge. Honesty.
 
Robert Newman

Robert Newman

Banned
Hi there Sunwaiter,

Intellectual If we set to one side our assumption, our academic education, that the organic evolution of species MUST have happened we approach such issues fairly and honestly. Let's also set to one side any assumption that creation can be proved. It's obvious that dogmas of any kind are useless. But it we approach this subject honestly, with a desire to see what nature is really telling us we arrive, inevitably, at the realisation that the creation of species really has happened. For we discover only order and more order. We discover that species are not some vague abstraction but are really living entities which are fixed in a fundamental way. Interacting with other species in a system of nature. But we only learn this if we are honest, with ourselves and with the facts under examination.

We cannot claim, as 'evolutionists' we are being honest if evolutionary dogmas are the only source of our knowledge. Honesty. That is quite enough to reject the theory of evolution.
 
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