Can any system replace the U.S. Constitution in the USA ?

[Robert Newman]

The Supremacy of the U.S. Constitution in the USA.

Q. Can new laws ever replace, even temporarily, the rights and obligations found in the US Constitution ? (Such as being told martial law is now in place and that the rights and provisions of the US Constitution are no longer valid ?).

A. No. According to a verdict on this very question given by the US Supreme Court itself NO law, even law passed in a time of civil unrest, or in time of war or in a state of emergency, can ever be superior or described as a substitute for the rights and privileges of the US Constitution in the USA. Any law, laws or Act (such as the notorious ‘Patriot Act’) passed by politicians is legally inferior to the rights and provisions of the U.S. Constitution itself which are permanent. Here’s a clear statement to that effect given as long ago as 1866 by the U.S. Supreme Court which settles this question once and for all -

‘The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people equally in war and in peace and it covers with the shield of its protection ALL classes of men AT ALL TIMES and UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES. No doctrine involving more pernicious consequences was ever invented by the wit of man than that the provisions of the United States Constitution can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government’.

(Ex parte Milligan 71 - Verdict of US Supreme Court (2) of 1866).

Crystal clear proof. A verdict given by the highest legal authority of the USA that the great Constitution of the USA is the supreme law and embodiment of rights in the USA. Always. Regardless of what corrupt politicians or others may think about it. The US Constitution cannot be suspended, ever. And those who believe or say otherwise are plain wrong.

And here's a statement made in 2003 by US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney of Georgia after the shameful passing of the 'Patriot Act' -

'It appears to me that the American people might have a criminal syndicate running their government'.

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[Corno Dolce]

Aloha Mr. Newman,

What you share is true, however, in a National Emergency, certain rights are curtailed - not taken away or suspended - for example, the right to demonstrate and protest during a National Emergency will be severely restricted. It will be sort of like if one is arrested for a crime or misdeameanor, handcuffs are put on and you're hauled away for incarceration.

If America is being invaded by military means and our soldiers are tasked with putting down the fiend, civilian protests can be seen as aiding and abetting the enemy and therefore can be rounded up and carted away for their safety, the safety of the troops, and to be able to facilitate the putting down of the enemy forces.

During WWII Admiral Yamamoto was urged to consider invading the West Coast of America. As a young officer he had studied at Harvard University. He got to know the Americans as a people and our Constitution. He knew that if he were to send an invasion force to the West Coast his troops would meet immediate defeat because he knew that every citizen would be armed, courtesy of the Second Amendment which grants the citizenry the right to bear arms, which was recently affirmed by the US Supreme Court.

The US Contitution is probably the finest document ever written for to enable the American people to govern themselves. It was written at a time when the Founding Fathers had a Faith in the Triune God, and the populace was basically a Christian peoples who had moral and ethical standards shaped by the Christian Faith. Of course, there were *bad eggs* in the populace, but generally there was a well-known concept of duty towards one's neighbors in Faith, Love, and Charity.

Today is a much different situation - more and more are clamouring for Government involvement in their daily lives - the populace does not want to make decisions on their own, but rather let someone else make their decisions for them - And then they have the temerity to complain...

As I have said before *A Government big enough to give you everything you want is a Government powerful enough to take everything away from you*.
That, my friends, is not Democracy - That is autocratic tyranny!!! And we have that system in place in America because the populace does not take care in properly reading and understanding all the different bills that are proposed - Our rights are more severely curtailed for each day that passes. We are letting the Government, by our inaction and indecision, begin to micromanage our lives. We are held in thrall - instead of the Government serving us, we are serving the Government - The Founding Fathers are rotating in their graves!!!

 

[Robert Newman]

Hi there C.D.,

Thanks for this comment. You indicate that in a time of national emergency certain rights are curtailed. You indicate that one example would be that the right to demonstrate and protest would be severely curtailed. But the right of Freedom of Speech is (you may agree) constitutionally guaranteed both in peacetime and in wartime under the United States Constitution, isn't it ? Where does the curtailment of the right to freedom of expression find any support at all from the U.S. Constitution ? I can find no place. In fact, the erosion of liberties comes (as you indicate yourself) by the severe curtailment of what is plainly written in the Constitution itself. Valid at all times as said by the US Supreme Court in the first post. (Confirmed by them in writing no less).

Again, during the hurricane which devastated New Orleans US citizens were deprived of their Constitutional right to bear arms. This was said to be justified because there was a state of emergency. But, once again, the US Constitution makes it clear that this right to bear arms is as true in peacetime as in war-time and in times of emergency.

The greatness of the US Constitution is recognised worldwide. It is the envy of the entire world. I am amazed, like you, that so few people value it and remind politicians of it, even in the USA. To me, the 'Patriot Act' is sheer nonsense and will eventually lead to tryanical government unless people realise the supreme law IS the US Constitution.

Best wishes

Robert

 

[Corno Dolce]

Aloha Mr. Newman,

When, in instances where the National Guard has been called upon to provide help to the police in quelling domestic disturbances as at Kent State University: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

The Mayor and then the Governor saw that they needed to restore order. Yes, the demonstrations at Kent State University were against the war in Vietnam, which was started by Democrat John F. Kennedy. Of course, many travesties of Justice and what is lawful were committed in America during that time.

It can still be legally argued what was lawful and what was unlawful in the application of force and in the students destructive behavior. As I am no legal scholar I am curtailed from making anymore comment except to express my indignation at the loss of control by the politicians, students, police, and the National Guard.

Cheerio,

CD

 

[drummergirlamie]

Excellent post, C.D. Nicely done. I've one request, could you elaborate on the JFK reference? I ask because it's therorized by some that his assassination resulted in part to his opposition to our involvement in Vietnam. An elucidation here would be warmly appreciated. Thanks.

 

[Corno Dolce]

Aloha drummergirlamie,

Good questions you ask, I might add. Frankly, I have yet to perceive any connection between JFK's sending of the troops into harm's way and his assassination. I basically wanted to shed light who started what wars. A Democrat got America into WWII! Americans have historically been isolationist in their worldview and not wanting to entangle themselves in foreign conflicts.

Imho, had not Hitler committed actions on Great Britain, US troops would most unlikely have gone to Europe. Nazi Germany would have assimilated Europe but not Russia. The Soviets ultimately would have crushed Nazi Germany and subsumed continental Europe. Of course, with the Pearl Harbor catastrophe in fresh memory, then Americans wanted to avenge - the can of whoop-ass was opened.

Just some thoughts...

Cheerio,

CD

 

[Robert Newman]

Aloha Mr. Newman,

When, in instances where the National Guard has been called upon to provide help to the police in quelling domestic disturbances as at Kent State University: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

The Mayor and then the Governor saw that they needed to restore order. Yes, the demonstrations at Kent State University were against the war in Vietnam, which was started by Democrat John F. Kennedy. Of course, many travesties of Justice and what is lawful were committed in America during that time.

It can still be legally argued what was lawful and what was unlawful in the application of force and in the students destructive behavior. As I am no legal scholar I am curtailed from making anymore comment except to express my indignation at the loss of control by the politicians, students, police, and the National Guard.

Cheerio,

CD

Hi there C.D.,

Thanks but what has a student riot to do with removing the rights of free speech enshrined within the US Constitution ? There are plenty of laws to deal with riots without unaccountable bandits taking over the US under the cloak of the 'Patriot Act'.

The plain fact is today, in the USA, most Americans would rather watch a baseball game or a movie than care about the imminent threat to their own country from within or to end the sheer scale of US military operations worldwide. It's well on its way to becoming the most hated nation on earth. The military industrial complex (also known as 'government by the corporations and for the corporations'). In how many wars and conflicts has the USA actually been involved during the last 50 years ? From Chile to El Salvador. From Serbia to Afghanistan. The most notorious post-9/11 legislation is the grossly unconstitutional 'Patriot Act' - a massive document written even before 9/11/2001 and which was presented to a compliant Congress only days after that event. The same compliant Congress who recently approved of the $700 Billion Dollar bailout - once again without listening to the American people. And who was the chief architect of the Patriot Act ? None other than one Viet Dinh, a Catholic law professor at Jesuit Georgetown University. The Catholicisation of the USA from literally decades of immigration is a plain fact. Ask the Kennedys ?

You mention the war in Vietnam. In fact, US involvement in South Vietnam was secretly intended to first support the Catholic puppet dictator who ruled South Vietnam at that time and whose own equivalent of the 'Patriot Act' caused huge repression within Vietnam when Buddhists were rounded up, tortured and often killed, with full knowledge and compliance of the the USA backed government. Indeed, a Vietnamese archbishop drafted the Vietnamese equivalent of the 'Patriot Act'. And, just as a sheer coincidence, the man who drafted the US Patriot Act for 2001 in the USA is a cousin of that same Vietnamese Archbishop who did the same thing back in the days of the Vietnam conflict !!!! (See Avro Manhattan's well researched book, 'Why did we go to Vietnam' ? ).

http://www.archive.org/details/Vietnam...WhyDidWeGo

The Vietnam War was so corrupt the United States Navy secretly provided ships for Catholics living in North Vietnam to be safely evacuated to the South BEFORE the Vietnam War even started !

As one American said to me recently -

'If I could ask one question of our government it would be this - Please Sir, can we have our great Constitution back' ?

In the world each year more people die by being stung by bees, slipping on ice, or being hit by golf balls than ever die as the result of acts of terrorism. Time to get things in perspective isn't it ? The excuses are wearing thin. Time to realise the real enemy of people are historical, documented agents of intolerance and of dogmatism whose 'false flag' operations (including 9/11/2001) and whose undermining of values and rights enshrined within the US Constitution is the greatest, most serious threat to the USA and to the free world. As is the greatness of the US Constitutition to these forces of evil.

Regards

Robert

 

[Corno Dolce]

Aloha Mr. Newman,

I heartily appreciate your vigorous rebuttal. I used the Kent State catastrophe only to illustrate the total loss of control. The rot from the inside-out of America is very much attributable to the post-Christian weltanschauung. You have presciently pointed out that Americans generally would rather sit at home and watch TV than give a care to who is invading or attacking the US. It is very sad but in a way, the Lord is giving America over to its own devices.

What hasn't helped is that people are being indoctrinated in what to think, not how to think by the Public Schools. Even with a de-fanged America under the incoming administration, America will still be the most hated Nation on earth. Why? because they have left their first Love and they deny the full extent of the US Constitution.

Humbly,

CD :tiphat::tiphat::tiphat:

 

[Robert Newman]

C.D.,

Thank you. I agree with what you say. But the situation is now so serious within the USA and within states associated with it (especially since 9/11/2001) that the so-called 'war on terror' is going to last forever unless it and its real exponents are exposed, fast. And that includes the UK. You as a Christian, and I as a Christian cannot stand by (can we ?) and be aware of the massive financial power and growing influence of Catholicism within the USA government and in virtually every sphere of public life without being aware too of its long history of disdain for the very freedoms of religion and individual liberties we enjoy. Can we ? From the time of Washington, through Lincoln and in to modern times Americans were repeatedly warned of the threat to their Republic if Rome ever managed to undermine the American Constitution - a Constitution they are on recrord as hating from the very founding of the USA. The plain fact is (and it may be an inconvenient truth) Rome (as, for example, in their own papally approved 'Syllabus of Errors') have officially and repeatedly outlawed 'freedom of religion' and 'freedom of conscience' in recent times, describing both to their own faithful as errors !! That's a categorical and historical fact anyone today can read for themselves. The Concordat between the Nazis and the Vatican before WW2 is a further example of where these things lead to.

I have Catholic friends. They know I'm highly critical of the Catholic system but never of them as individuals and friends. But what can a person do ? I am completely sure the infiltration of the American government and of its allies by evil undemocratic forces is already a plain fact and is nothing less than the product of a final, short-lived revival of the Roman Catholic Empire. That the 'New World Order' spoken of by political leaders is treachery and is, in fact, nothing less than a thinly disguised attack on every good and honest person. By fanatics of Rome and by those who would sell their souls for money, power, and influence. In the very near future the USA seems about to become the mouthpiece of Rome.

You are right that general apathy and indifference is accelerating this process. I suppose the next thing is to sell the lie to Congress through the coporate media that the Constitution itself can be and should be put on hold in a time of emergency. A lie which, as we see, is already widely believed anyway in the USA by corrupt politicians and by the public themselves.

Is this being outspoken ? I believe Christian people everywhere (including Roman Catholics) do not need to be silent on an issue which is so important in our times.

'Spiritual wickedness in high places', indeed !!!

 

[Corno Dolce]

Aloha Mr. Newman,

Again you properly give critique where critique is due. I am however somewhat sceptical whether there can be a short-lived revival of the Roman Catholic Empire in the US. The RCChurch in America has erected a firewall between it and the Vatican - the reason being that they don't want the Holy See to discover the predatory homosexual cults within the RC Seminaries. The RCChurch in America is the *wild problem child* for Rome.

It is really disgusting and despicable what goes in those Seminaries. I guess you know what happened to a priest in the Russian Orthodox Church when the Moscow Patriarchate discovered that he had performed a blessing of a homo couple. The priest was immediately defrocked, demoted to the rank of simple monk and sent to live out his days at a monastery under the direct supervision of an Abbot. The Sanctuary where the blessing took place had been desecrated, so it was emptied of all ecclesiastical items, the building razed and a truckload of salt was strewn over the site where the building once stood. Thats the real deal!!! No monkeying around!!!

Yes, we as Christians can't be silent as political/economic forces curtail the Christian voice.

Humbly,

CD :tiphat::tiphat::tiphat:

 

[Robert Newman]

No, I was not aware of these events in Moscow.

I am aware, however, of history and the way it tends to repeat itself. I know that if people bury their heads in the sand they will wake up to a terrible future.

There are those who know and those who choose not to know. I suppose that is just the way it is.

Very best wishes

Robert

 

[Corno Dolce]

Aloha Mr. Newman,

And those who choose not to know are working overtime to deny people from ever knowing. I am amazed and appalled that 45% of America's population consider God to be a Cosmic sadist and a spiteful imbecile. What in the world causes people to harbor such filthy thoughts? Did God who positioned the earth to receive appropriate amounts of heat and light from the Sun - Who positioned the Moon at the appropriate angle and distance to cause tidal effects and probably to take the majority of the bashings of meteors that were most likely to be headed for earth? Who positioned the earth far enough away from the sources of GRB(Gamma Ray Bursts) so that the earth would not instantly be incinerated? Was/is He a sadist?

Humbly,

CD

 

[dll927]

Amazing, that which can show up in what is supposedly a forum for organists!!

Most of the U. S. Constitution is a PLAN OF GOVERNMENT. It's mostly in the amendments and in a few key phrases that the subjects under discussion here show up. The original posting questioned whether any law can override the Const. and gives a Supreme Court verdict on the matter. Which raises the matter that any other interpretation by the Court would pretty much be cutting their own umbilical cord.

Much has been written about how the Constitution has weathered changes of time, ideas, and practices. And many historians have been guilty of their own intrpretations and forming their own "schools" of thought. Take a look at Charles Beard (1913) and his interpretation of the Const. as the product of a bunch of educated, land-holding plutocrats. That has pretty much been swept under the rug by now. But we continue to hear a lot about interpretations based on "class".

It may be true that the U. S. is the "most hated" nation on earth, but would someone care to explain why half the rest of the world is trying to get in?? We're talking about 'official' government matters vs. individual people here. And I'm not specifically referring only to Mexico, which is, after all, a fifth-rate outfit that can't get its own act together.

GWB did not bring about the current economic mess -- that was done by the pinheads on Wall Street who are constantly looking for new ways to line their own pockets. It has been said that even most of them didn't understand what they were doing, or at least the implications of what could happen.

Thomas Jefferson is quoted as claiming that "that government is best which governs least". He must be doing cartwheels in his grave.

When are they going to let poor JFK rest in peace? Most of the people in positions of power or acting as newsnoses at the time are by now pushing up daisies. Folks, that was forty-five plus years ago.

 

[Robert Newman]

Hi there dll927,

If incompetence is the true explanation for this amazing and still growing global crisis it's shared here in the UK. Our bankers and politicians, having told us a few months ago the UK was 'well positioned to survive any credit crunch' now tell us sheepishly they don't even know (or won't tell us) how massive the problem actually is ! Is that believable in a time when instant computer power tracks every cent ? I mean, what is more straightforward than a straightforward answer ? And, like the USA, British people bailed out the UK banks. Repeatedly. It ain't finished yet either ! And this against huge opposition from British people.

There are beyond reasonable doubt cases of massive criminality on these issues. We can say so beyond reasonable doubt.

And these bailouts. Consider them just for a moment. If a nations bank system needs to be 'bailed out' it means somebody somewhere has already given these insitututions credit after their loan was approved. Right ? But, so far, the credit/the bailout has definitely not come from tax payers. No, it came from someone/something else who has credited these banks. But the tax payer is the person who eventually has to pay these completely unknown persons back (with interest) via government by means of future taxes. Complete with interest. Yes ? But who is that 'someone/something' ? Once again, we simply don't know.

I think we have to accept the fact very soon that the USA is bankrupt and that only a monstrously rich organisation can and will bail out this mess. At a price. The price including the freezing of Constitutional rights and freedoms of all citizens of the USA and of those who are its allies.

I hope I am wrong. But all the warnings and all the signs are there.

 

[dll927]

The bailouts are a form of corporate WELFARE. Every company with a problem is lining up at the trough. And yes, if the financial types were held under the light and made to admit their errors, there is surely criminal activity behind the scenes.

 

[Dorsetmike]

[tongue in cheek]

We could always revoke the decalaration of independance and bring the states back under the British commonwealth

Just think of the hidden benefits, getting the English language back to normal, all the back taxes that must be owed too. Drive on the left - in smaller cars - that run on petrol or better still diesel, confiscate all guns and apply stricter controls to the legal eagles by learning how to settle differences without violence or expensive litigation. British actors playing british parts in Hollywood would be good too!.

[/tongue in cheek] :smirk:

 

[Robert Newman]

LOL !

How about this idea ? The UK finally gets a Constitution from 'We the People' !!!!!!!!!! The very first in its entire history.

Don't want to be too controversial, of course !!!!

 

[Andrew Roussak]

Hey men!!!!

Here is the evidence from the very recent victim of the US foreign visa policy. And this poor wretch is myself!!!!

The story is - my wife is a Ph.D. on physics of metals. Field of research : nanostructures. She should have to participate in a TMS conference on nano held THESE DAYS - from 2/01 up to 10/01 on isle of St.Thomas, Virgin Islands, USA. As I have my vacations now, I wanted to go there together with her as an accompanying person.

Well, ya see, the whole procedure is crazy. If you want to go to Japan or China, you get a visa within 24 hrs. from the moment of application. If you go to Canada or UK, it doesn't take much time as well, and an application is quite a simple thing.

If you go to US ( and you are, presumably, a foreigner to US ) - you have to make an application - as it now became obvious - much more than two months before your departure date. We made ours on 10th of October!!!

Then, all your documents will be mailed to USA - the embassy can not issue a visa without a "higher" permission. What do one need to send there ? Everything about the planned trip - where do you go, how long do you stay and where, which places do you plan to visit etc. Julia also had to attach the copies of her scientific papers , planned talk at the conference - imagine that!!!!! It means they have at least to hire a guy there in US who has to check her papers , whether they are a fraud or not - so, logically, they have to hire the experts in each research field of science!!!! Doesn't it look like a paranoia???

What happenned next - we were waiting for a call from the Embassy for more than two months. On the 30th of December , they have at last contacted us only to inform , that our visas could now be issued - TWO HOURS BEFORE THE EMABASSY WAS CLOSED FOR VACATIONS!!! So the visas will be processed next week now, they need a certain time for it as well - but we have already missed ( and cancelled ) our flight, so we stay now at home having two nice US visas in our passports.

I should as well mention here , that every visa costs 100 EUR , and this money will be NOT paid back if the visa comes too late!!

Now, what good is in the fact that we cancelled our flight, what does it bring to the US economy?? 3000 USD ( the flight tickets, hotel reservation, conference charge...) did not go in the country. The conference was somehow important in general, I believe. If all intl. participants get the same problems - no intl. TMS conference in US anymore. Is the US democracy nothing more than mere words, or is it something only for US citizens???

Why the heck did they need our fingerprints then - if it' s all about terrorism - are we Moslems, are we residents of Iran?

Now - VERY PERSONAL - @ Krummhorn.

DEAR LARS!!!!

I know you love me and you know I love you too. I know you are a very influential person here so me thinks you must have a certain influence in your new pres. Obama administration as well. Can you please call your pres. Obama and tell him Andrew feels very unhappy and wants to go to Virgin Islands????
You simply tell him Andrew is a good and a friendly guy, and that they give me a visa next time - OKAY !!!! - maybe within two months from application. BUT NOT WITHIN TWO HOURS FROM THE DEPARTURE TIME!!!! And, for my fingerprints - they have it already. I would very unlikely change them !

Thanks, all the best from Germany ( not from Virgin I..aaaaaaaaaaaa !!! ),

Andrew

 

[Robert Newman]

Anyone within a few minutes study can see that the Rothschild banking empire are bankers to the world's richest nations and of the world's richest organisation - the Vatican. And have been for centuries.

'Give me control of a nations money supply and I care not who makes the laws'.
(Nathan Rothschild)

And this is stark contrast to the bible teaching against usury -

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not be like a moneylender; charge him no interest" (Exodus 22:25).[/FONT]


The USA Federal Reserve System is composed of 12 private and unaccountable banks which regularly create (literally printing) money out of nothing and then lend it to the U.S. government at usury rates of interest. It is in fact the most colossal system of usury and fraud that has ever been invented and runs contrary to the entire Constitutional basis of government.

The recent bailouts keep the deception going. For a while. They will be repeated - until people begin to suspect they are never ending. This is the equivalent of man who pumps a few litres of gasoline into the tank of your car overnight (for which he sends you the bill with interest) having first stolen your gasoline in the first place ! Thus the bailout money soon becomes the ONLY money in the entire banking system. The rest gone but not discovered by you until everyone realises it. And this explains why the credit situation will never improve regardless of how many 'bailouts' there are.

On final and inevitable collapse of this system you will be told to welcome with open arms any 'solution' - which will be their new creature - your new, friendly, localised Credit Unions. With rates of interest that are even higher.

Time for me to think of growing my own carrots and potatoes. LOL !

http://www.scribd.com/doc/509419/The-Vatican-Billions-Avro-Manhattan


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[Robert Newman]

Still believe in party politics ?

Well, just before the next new President stands on the steps in Washington and swears (as he must) to uphold and defend the great US Constitution, here are a few disturbing quotes -

‘We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we have set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded’

Barack Obama - July 2008

And then this -

‘’ The US Constitution reflected an enormous BLIND SPOT in this culture that carries on until this day. And that the framers had this same BLIND SPOT. I don’t think the two views are contradictory to say that it was a remarkable political document that paved the way for where we are now, and to say that it also reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues till this day’

Barack Obama - Chicago Public Radio Interview (2001)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4

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