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    Exclamation Cochereau in English!

    Don't worry, I'm not going to flood the forum with all too frequent Youtube clips, but this one has to be shared: Pierre Cochereau saying a few words in English before improvising at Crystal Cathedral: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcnPU04pTXI

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    Nice posting, acc ... thanks .

    Anytime Cochereau is featured playing like this is icing on the cake.
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    Aloha acc,

    I enjoy all your video posts - you never fail to satisfy me with your efforts.

    Cheerio,

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    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

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    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    A very good video, in spite You tube is not the best thing for the audio and vdeo quality, even with &fmt=18.
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    Hey acc, long time! thanks for that wonderful little clip, really enjoyed it. And, as to him speaking French while in Rome do as the Romans springs to mind.
    I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.
    —Albert Einstein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contratrombone64 View Post
    while in Rome do as the Romans springs to mind.
    Sure — but I guess someone who travels to lots of different Romes all over the world can easily be excused not to do so in all of them.

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    There's an old saying that 50,000,000 Frenchmen can't be wrong -- except that they all speak French.

    English is pretty much a universal "second language". I can recall former German Chancellor Willy Brandt sounding as if English were his native language. I've seen two or three clips where Daniel Roth spoke acceptable English while he was showing off The St. Sulpice masterpiece. And given that many performers tour the U. S., they had better know some English, since most Americans disdain foreign languages. (I should know - I spent 34 years as a Spanish teacher!!)

    Cochereau died too soon. That clip must be rather old, but he sure rips up that organ, which I understand Fred Swann did some of after he left the Crystal Cathedral. So far, I haven't heard of him dissing First Congregational L. A., which was his next stop. But if you have ever been in that notable pile of concrete (I have a number of times), you know that organ can shake the place.

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    You are of course right about the ubiquity of English. But for people of Cochereau's generation (he was born in 1924), this was maybe not quite as true as it is now. So while speaking reasonable English has become rather commonplace in today's world, I still think that back then, there was something more remarkable about it. (Maybe I'm also struck by it because I have listened to Cochereau's voice so many times before, and invariably in French.)

    Also, CT64's "Roman" saying does not refer to English as a lingua franca, but as the local language of that particular place (i.e. Garden Grove, CA). So what I wanted to say is that it would be difficult for, say, an international recitalist to travel to the US, Japan, Russia, Sweden, The Netherlands, Italy, etc. and speak the local language everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krummhorn View Post
    Nice posting, acc ... thanks .

    Anytime Cochereau is featured playing like this is icing on the cake.
    Well, this clip does not show Pierre Cochereau speaking at all - just playing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shjVJTRYsAQ

    however, it is well worth watching, even if he is not playing on his beloved Cavaillé-Coll/Hermann/Boisseau at Nôtre-Dame de Paris.

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    Acc's comment about languages raises a question I've wondered about:

    Do Russian organs (which I understand are rather few) have their stop names engraved in Cyrillic (Russian)? I can just imagine a western-trained organist sitting down to such a console and not being able to make heads or tails of the stop names. In most places, the names are standardized enough that minor linguistic differences don't matter, but here you're talking about a whole different alphabet. That could make things just a bit difficult!!

    And as long as we're on the subject, what about Chinese or Japanese? I've seen some organs in those places that were imported from European companies, but how does that all add up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dll927 View Post
    Acc's comment about languages raises a question I've wondered about:

    Do Russian organs (which I understand are rather few) have their stop names engraved in Cyrillic (Russian)? I can just imagine a western-trained organist sitting down to such a console and not being able to make heads or tails of the stop names. In most places, the names are standardized enough that minor linguistic differences don't matter, but here you're talking about a whole different alphabet. That could make things just a bit difficult!!
    I do not think that this is the case.

    If this is so, it would indeed pose a problem; for, whilst the Cyrillic alphabet is phonetic, this only helps if one knows what a flute, trumpet or mixture (for example) are called in Russian. Two approximate instances are:
    ТРУБА (trumpet) - pronounced 'trooba'. Or; ДИАПАЗОН (diapason) - pronounced 'deeapazon'.

    Incidentally, one of the reasons that organs are so rare in Russia, is that they were originally used in brothels, and therefore the Orthodox Church, by association, deemed them unfit for use in religious services.
    Pierre Cochereau rocked, man.

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    Aloha pcnd5584,

    Ummm, Ermmmm, Uuuuuh - I converted to the Russian Orthodox Church just little over two years ago. The real reason why there is no organ used in the Russian Orthodox Church is because the organ is seen as taking away from the focus of the Divine Liturgy, namely the worship of the Triune God.

    It has nothing to do with brothels. The choir of human voices is the *organ* - musical instruments in the Russian Church are anathema! As a former Lutheran and organist whose father was a priest in the Lutheran Church I know what I have given up, but for the sake of my salvation and conscience I left the Lutheran Church.

    Humbly and Respectfully yours,

    CD
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    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Quote Originally Posted by dll927 View Post
    . . . Do Russian organs (which I understand are rather few) have their stop names engraved in Cyrillic (Russian)? I can just imagine a western-trained organist sitting down to such a console and not being able to make heads or tails of the stop names. In most places, the names are standardized enough that minor linguistic differences don't matter, but here you're talking about a whole different alphabet. That could make things just a bit difficult!!

    And as long as we're on the subject, what about Chinese or Japanese? I've seen some organs in those places that were imported from European companies, but how does that all add up?
    While on a choir tour, I played the organ at St. Stephens Basilica in Budapest, Hungary, I was rather confused at first as all the stop names were engraved in Hungarian. In fact, none of the stops worked ... I had to use the crescendo roller for the entire church service and accompanying the choir. After the service, I discovered an out-of-the-way foot activated lever which read "furrech" which meant "For Registration" ... Doh!!

    The other organs I played in Hungary had stop names in either Italian or German.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    Aloha pcnd5584,

    Ummm, Ermmmm, Uuuuuh - I converted to the Russian Orthodox Church just little over two years ago. The real reason why there is no organ used in the Russian Orthodox Church is because the organ is seen as taking away from the focus of the Divine Liturgy, namely the worship of the Triune God.

    It has nothing to do with brothels. The choir of human voices is the *organ* - musical instruments in the Russian Church are anathema! As a former Lutheran and organist whose father was a priest in the Lutheran Church I know what I have given up, but for the sake of my salvation and conscience I left the Lutheran Church.

    Humbly and Respectfully yours,

    CD
    Although I wrote 'one of the reasons...' I was given this information by a friend who also converted to the Orthodox Church a few years ago. However, I was also aware of your reason given above and this is certainly true.
    Pierre Cochereau rocked, man.

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    Aloha pcnd5584,

    I admit to not hearing about the *brothel reason* in re to organs not being in the Russian Church - It just seems so *ancillary* I'll have to check in on that with my contact in the Moscow Patriarchate.

    What can be good to keep in mind is the overt use of musical instruments during the worship service is found in the Old Testament, not the New Testament.

    Cheers,

    CD
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    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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