Results 1 to 13 of 13

Thread: Secession can be a reality someday

  1. #1
    Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler Corno Dolce's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Moscow, Russia
    Posts
    10,538

    Secession can be a reality someday

    With the ever-increasing Federal tax burdens on States and private individuals, Texas might lead the way in seceding from the Union. The 1864 Texas Secession Act gives Texas the right to secede. Texas has a majority of the Defense industry. Were Texas to secede, Washington D.C. could never recover from the economic fallout. It may be the only way to send a very clear message to D.C. democrats: NO MORE TAX AND SPEND and SPENDING OUT FROM UNDER THE DEFICIT!!!:

    http://mises.org/story/3427

    If Texas goes, don't be surprised that Alaska and a number of other States decide to follow suit.
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

  2. #2
    Spectral Warrior con passion White Knight's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    3,911

    Thumbs down Secession can be a reality someday

    Corno, with all due respect are you serious? Are you at all familiar with our American Civil War between the North and South, which began over the same course of action you seem to be so easily proposing? Is this what you advocate as a solution, or maybe you'd like to throw in more tax cuts for the wealthy, as our "noble" leaders--the President and Congress--just did. What planet are you living on anyway. . If you had your way, there would be no United States of America left--remember the Balkans and their recent bloodbath?
    Whatever floats your boat May your reach always exceed your grasp

  3. #3
    Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler Corno Dolce's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Moscow, Russia
    Posts
    10,538
    Hi Steve,

    With all due respect and more, to speak about the Balkan Bloodbath and secession in America in the same breath stretches credulity. I have basically forgotten why I submitted this thread to the forum. But I remain critical of the ever-bloating U.S. Government. America as a Country did well when it financed its operations with sales taxes as its source of revenue. Everyone paid then, not just the poor. The system with Income Tax voted for in 1905 tempts the D.C. Mandarins to spend too much money. Plus, when a Government is limited to revenue from sales tax the voting constituency has more power. As it stands, D.C. has a vise-grip on everybody's gonads. Income tax is, in other words "Wealth Destruction". Btw,Texas might be gaining five Congressional seats according to the latest Census

    CD
    Last edited by Corno Dolce; Dec-21-2010 at 12:22.
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

  4. #4
    Spectral Warrior con passion White Knight's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    3,911
    Are you looking for us to have a second civil war? If all these states were to go, we would no longer be the United States of America but rather a Balkanized and possibly warring set of different dis-united territories. The sales tax is the most regressive and hardest levies on the lower classes and is unfair. Don't worry about the income tax being a "wealth destroyer". The rich people in this country--and I'm sure yours as well--are doing just fine, thank you. God forbid they should be made to share some of what they have and undergo sacrifice with those underneath them on the socio-economic ladder. I guess my friends on the right would call that "socialism"; me on the other hand, I call it fairness .
    Whatever floats your boat May your reach always exceed your grasp

  5. #5
    Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler Corno Dolce's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Moscow, Russia
    Posts
    10,538
    Hi Steve,

    You speak of second civil war - twice - why? Where do I advocate a civil war? Not once, never...Please, it easily devolves into a "flame war". We all struggle to balance income and debit. You can throw the whole of America's GDP into "trying" to solve the situation with the "lower end of the socio-economic ladder".

    And at the end of the day you will have not made it easier - you will only have put a bandage on a festering wound caused by the cancer that is "socialism".
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

  6. #6
    Spectral Warrior con passion White Knight's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    3,911
    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    Hi Steve,

    You speak of second civil war - twice - why? Where do I advocate a civil war? Not once, never...Please, it easily devolves into a "flame war". We all struggle to balance income and debit. You can throw the whole of America's GDP into "trying" to solve the situation with the "lower end of the socio-economic ladder".

    And at the end of the day you will have not made it easier - you will only have put a bandage on a festering wound caused by the cancer that is "socialism".
    Hi Corno Dolce. The reason I mention it again is because secession is what ignited our first--and thank God--last civil war in this country. And I would be interested in your definition of "socialism". I am not advocating the tyrannical types of that system associated with the former USSR or how it has been practiced and is still being practiced in many dictatorial nations today. No, what I am looking for is more of a "mixed economy" type of approach-- Sweden or Denmark come to mind--in which neither unfettered capitalism nor government is allowed to run roughshod over people and their rights--economic as well as social. Again, what you may typify as "socialism" I might consider fairness vis a vis making the playing field more level. That's all. Happy Holidays to you and your family. Stay well-- Steve
    Last edited by White Knight; Dec-23-2010 at 04:39.
    Whatever floats your boat May your reach always exceed your grasp

  7. #7
    Recruit, Pianissimo
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    2
    Some times it is true and become compulsory to resolve the issues. Some bold steps like these can be made to keep the good relations as good. But sometimes it is better to make negotiations to remove confusions.

  8. #8
    Spectral Warrior con passion White Knight's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    3,911
    Quote Originally Posted by alphshuffel View Post
    Some times it is true and become compulsory to resolve the issues. Some bold steps like these can be made to keep the good relations as good. But sometimes it is better to make negotiations to remove confusions.
    With whom and for what, exactly??
    Whatever floats your boat May your reach always exceed your grasp

  9. #9
    Rear Admiral Appassionata
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    north tyneside
    Posts
    1,817
    How the U.S.A behaves is in reallity theirs to deal with. My only problem with this is that what happens there quite often breaks out in the UK (like rap?)

  10. #10
    Vice Admiral Virtuoso methodistgirl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Madisonville,Ky.42431
    Posts
    4,409
    I hope Kentucky does like Texas. I agree with you.
    judy tooley

  11. #11
    Spectral Warrior con passion White Knight's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    3,911
    Quote Originally Posted by methodistgirl View Post
    I hope Kentucky does like Texas. I agree with you.
    judy tooley
    Hi, Judy. Just to clarify, what did Texas do exactly?
    Whatever floats your boat May your reach always exceed your grasp

  12. #12
    Vice Admiral Virtuoso methodistgirl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Madisonville,Ky.42431
    Posts
    4,409
    Oh never mind! I misunderstood the whole thing.
    judy tooley

  13. #13
    Commander, Assistant Conductor mathetes1963's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    203
    No one in his right mind would advocate civil war. I love the Union of these United States. I do not have the same opinion of our current chief executive's predilection to disregard the very Constitution he took an oath to uphold (The fiasco of our country's involvement in the Libya situation is just one of the more recent examples). The American Civil War -which claimed more American lives than either World War, Vietnam, Desert Storm or the recent actions in Iraq and Afghanistan- was a tragedy for all concerned. Did the South secede lawfully? Per the U.S. Constitution: NO. Was the North's military response appropriate? NO. The underlying issue of the American Civil War was STATES' RIGHTS; it was NOT solely about slavery (which would have eventually died a natural death in the South regardless of the war). The Tea Party movement is often maligned by the liberal media here and abroad, sometimes deservedly so, sometimes not, but the issue they raise at it's core is about the States' rights to autonomy. For example, the Federal Government's own immigration laws are far more strict than those of the State of Arizona; but when Arizona deigned to actually enforce the laws they already had on the books, the current administration intervenes! I could go on and on, but the evidence speaks for itself for anyone willing to consider it. I am very troubled by the direction I see this country being lead by the current administration. I hope, believe, pray that true "Hope and Change" is forthcoming for the USA. As things things stand now, I see neither being offered.

    My two shekel's worth.
    “The aim and final end of all music should be none other than the glory of God and the refreshment of the soul.”
    -Johann Sebastian Bach, 1685-1750

    "It Don't Mean A Thing If It Ain't Got That Swing."
    -Duke Ellington, 1899-1974

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •