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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorsetmike View Post
    Better still stick 'em in politicians gobs, cut off a lot of hot air.
    Dorsetmike

    Yeah!! Right on!!

    I´ll side with you any day of the week.


    However, we in the western democracies at the same time the most highly developed industrialized countries, always seem to fail when it comes to understanding the huge problems the 3. World undeveloped countries face every day.

    Please turn to this link and you will find, that the wishes and demands from the undeveloped countries on this planet do not seem unreasonable. They are -
    all of Asia (except Japan), Africa and most of South America - except Brasil and Mexico:

    http://uwacadweb.uwyo.edu/rgodby/ENR..._paper_UDA.htm

    But we also have to face the fact that the Kyoto agreement, left out the two most poluting countries on our common planet - China and the USA meassured per capita. This fact unfortunately was repeated by the same two countries before the Copenhagen Climate Conference began. Both USA and China denied to sign a legal binding document, and IMBO from that day on, the entire idea and the basic reasons for the Copenhagen Climate Conference 2009 - so to speak - rapidly went down hill or "down the drain".

    Some day, we in the wealthy western highly democratical industrialized countries, will have to face the fact that we must share our advanced technologies
    and our high educational level in our own countries, openly with the 3. World undeveloped countries, which we have colonised and imperialised, always better knowing than they are for more than 400 years, where education of the population is the key to dealing with the threatening issues in these countries. Where starvation, the lack of clean unpoluted water, contagerous deseases, over population, free medicin, doctoring and the ability to enter a hospital for free, are much more serious issues on an every day basis in the 3. World countries, than all of us in the west realise.

    For instance, if we had to live in Africa on the savanna in the Sudan in the Dafur provence for instance, where rain has not been seen for ten years in a row, so that no crops can actually grow, which mean we can´t eat, and where the key issue every day is to stay alive, frightend of being killed by some guy, who uses a machete knife, global warming and the quest to decrease CO2 poisoning, are not even as important for Africa, as it has become to us in the west - in Canada, the USA, Japan, Australia and of course the European countries, equals the highly developed industrialized countries.
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    Best regards,
    intet_at_tabe

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    climategate

    Margaret, I took your pinch of salt this morning and sprinkled it over my frozen driveway. It instantly caused Global warming and melted all the ice.
    I read somewhere an old American President said something to the effect that if you can instil enough fear in the populace you can get away with practically anything. Also fear can be used to bury all sorts of doings that the general population wouldn't be happy with. I am a bit of a sceptic regarding all the doomsday merchants. Nature has her own way of doing things but if our greed and corruption do cause global warming, we might perish but the planet will survive. Perhaps to repopulate the earth with better politicians who lead by example and more caring people to look after the planet. After all, we do not own it, only have a responsibility to cherish it while we are here. Merry Christmas and a peaceful New Year to you all Sylvie.

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    Hi Sylvie

    You are welcome to my pinch of salt, I am glad it melted your ice.

    I agree that we are just custodians of the planet, the earth could do with some better politicians. I am certainly a sceptic to all the scaremongering that our so-called leaders are telling us.

    A very happy Christmas to you, and a good and healthy new year.


    Margaret

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    Globel warming? I would love to see some of that come to where I
    live now. I can't go outside without freezing my eyelids off. I will
    say that we are experencing global cooling myself.
    judy tooley

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    Well, Judy, one of the theories proposed about Global Warming is that, once the poles melt and increase the amount of freshwater in the oceans (as opposed to salt water), there is proposed to be a change of oceanic movement (direction) causing enormous weather patterns, including deep freezes.
    I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.
    —Albert Einstein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contratrombone64 View Post
    ...one of the theories proposed about Global Warming (etc.)
    Correction-

    I think we'd be more accurate by saying "one of the speculative hypotheses."

    Anthropogenic global warming sent to bed, without supper, in two short sentences:

    Observations confirm that the polar ice-caps on Mars are shrinking. How the (bleep) did our Greenhouse Gases get all the way over THERE??!! Neal Boortz

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    Global warming to me is a big lie. I know that our earth has been
    polluted, by a lot of things not just the exaust of a car or truck.
    Everything puts out waste even plants or we wouldn't have oxygen
    and oxygen is a gas just like the ones that do harm. This reminds
    me of this 2012 agenda that's going on. I know that in the bible
    Jesus said no one know the hour or day in which this will happen
    except god. Even Jesus didn't know but keep watch. It could be
    right now, tomorrow, next year, 100 years,1,000,1,000,000, and
    so on. That we will never know. What the Earth does weatherwise
    depends on what the sun is doing.
    judytooley

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    Judy - wise words, but I think you'll find that there is an end as every star has a natural life-cycle. I can't remember the theorised age of a star but it's several billions of years, and our star (Sol) is in her middle-age from what I understand (bloody moody old cow, no wonder she's giving us such grief, mood swing central).
    I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.
    —Albert Einstein.

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    Latest figures show that the temp has droped 0.5 degress over the last 12 months.
    Someone over here is makeing a lot of money out of windmills when we should be building sea turbines, which would make a lot more sense. As a child we were warned that another ice age was coming. What will tomorrows fad be?

    teddy

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