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rojo
Aug-26-2005, 07:12
Hej,

Well, this will probably be difficult for some of you, but if you had to pick just <u>one</u> work and only one, what would it be? (You may list a second and third if you absolutely have to https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

corno
Aug-26-2005, 23:08
It's impossible to say, really impossible.
But, the first piece of music I heard that really won my heart in an instant must have been "Nimrod" from Edward Elgar's "Enigma Variations", to this day I still can get goosebumps when listening to it... it's awesome and yet over in just 4 minutes (depending on the recording naturally https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif).

It's a really hard choice, but this would probably be mine.

rojo
Aug-27-2005, 19:09
It`s tough, eh? To pick only one? I guess most people have many favourites.

Hmmm... I`ll have to give that one a listen. The name of the piece rings a bell, maybe from music history class, but I don`t think I`ve ever heard it.

Btw, for those of you who don`t know, my favourite is Debussy`s <font color="blue"> La Mer </font>. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

corno
Aug-27-2005, 19:27
no, it isn't an easy choice. but I'm satisfied with mine... https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

If possible you really should give it a listen, it's a real gem.

Here's a little something about Elgar's "Enigma Variations" - http://www.elgar.org/3enigma.htm

rojo
Aug-27-2005, 21:25
Hej,

Very interesting! Unfortunately, the Nimrod link gave me a 404 not found. I`ll try to investigate the `Nimrod` variation elsewhere on the net too- who knows, maybe there`s a free download somewhere (don`t worry, just the legal kind.) I`m pretty poor.

I`m not usually a fan of variations in general, but I can understand you having a favourite one in the work. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

corno
Aug-27-2005, 21:49
Hmm... maybe this link then? - there's a link to a fair midi-representation of the whole set of variations (pianosound).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_Variations

rojo
Aug-27-2005, 22:31
Yeah, hey, I`m listening right now. First impressions- grandiose, elegant, slightly pompous (remindful of his Pomp and Circumstance, obviously.) It must be quite thrilling in orchestral form, although the pianosound is not bad.

I tried to find an orchestral version of `Nimrod` I could listen to, but only found incomplete versions. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I`m listening to the next variations; all in all, not too shabby! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

And thanks for the link!

What do you think about Dvorak`s New World Symphony, 1st mvt.?

corno
Aug-27-2005, 22:44
Yeah, the pomp and circ. sound is "present", and yes, the orchestral version really puts it over the top.
The "Nimrod" variation is at 9:50 in this midi file.
Eventhough this midifile really is rather ok sounding (for a midifile - and naturally depending on your own soundcards internal synth) you should try to get a hold of a recording with orchestra - despite being an "orchestral arrangement" ie. the piano version is the "original" I think, like Ravel's orchestration of Mussorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition", the orchestral version shows the full scope of the work.

I'll get back to you on the Dvorak - like Elgar and Ralph Vaughan-Williams in England, Dvorak (and to some extent Bedrich Smetana and Kodahly) are the folkmusic-inspired equivalent in Slavonic region of Europe. I've enjoyed his symphonies and his 2x8 Slavonic Dances (which also exists in both a version for orchestra and (four handed) piano)... as to that specific movement I have to find it amongst my cds first. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

rojo
Aug-27-2005, 23:19
Yes, I found the proper variation (at 9:50) on the file, thanks.

I love Ravel`s orchestral version of Pictures! What a super piece. I could drone on about that one. I`ll spare you.

As for the other composers you mentioned, I`m not all that familiar with them; although probably most people know Smetana`s `Die Moldau` with the minor main theme switching to major at the end of the piece. Kind of tacky, but I think it kinda works. I`m not against it, anyway. Don`t think it`s a real `tierce de Picardi` , I guess that`s just for a final chord.

Anyway, I ramble on- hope you enjoy the Dvorak as much as I do! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

corno
Aug-27-2005, 23:43
I like both the original pianoversion by Mussorgsky and the orchestration by Ravel.

"Die Moldau" from the suite "Ma Vlast" (My Fatherland) is one of the most wellknown of Smetana's works. And it, like the works of Edvard Grieg and Johan Halvorsen from Norway and Jean Sibelius from Finland, is a prime example of a nationalromantical style of music which on one hand is close in expression to the folkmusic of their respective countries aswell as being very grandioso (romantical) in form and musicalexpression. (The Danish equivalent are, to some extent, Carl Nielsen but also composers such as Niels W. Gade (no relation to Jacob Gade though), J.P.E. Hartmann, Frederich Kuhlau and Peter Erasmus Lange-Müller).
As for the shift to major at the end, it's not that uncommon when trying to signify a "triumphant" state - like one of the earliest outright programmatic pieces of music, the "Egmont Overture" by Beethoven, which at the beginning is a slow Sarabande but it ends in a joyious finale even though the programmatic content (the story, by Goethe, of Count Egmont and the Evil Spaniard (hence the Sarabande) Alba) is far from joyius (Egmont get's decapitated - also very graphically/auditivly illustrated as a "drop"/downward slured invterval in the strings - and the sonataform on which the overture is built is also being treated out of the ordinary, as a result of the storyline*) but still Good conquers Evil (in the afterlife) in a major key. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

* requires a little more explanation which I'll not go into right here.

Now we're/I'm talking about "national" composers what do you (all) think of eg. Finlandia by Sibelius? (probably his most famous work - close in spirit to the 1812 overture by Tchaikowsky - both involving Russia but on different fronts)

rojo
Aug-28-2005, 00:55
You`re bringing up so much music I like (but then I like so much).

The ones you mentioned that I know are:

Grieg- Great piano stuff, including a beautiful Nocturne (if memory serves), etc.

Sibelius- Love his Violin Concerto (do you know it?), just beautiful. I think I actually prefer it to Finlandia, which is great also.

Carl Nielsen- (yet another Dane, as I had recently discovered before you mentioned him. Wondered if someone would bring him up!) Although I haven`t listened to them in a while, he wrote a piece for oboe (sonata?) and a wind quintet which is also great, once again if memory serves. Have you heard the quintet? I must give these a relisten!

Kuhlau- Of course as I teach piano, I`m familiar with a few of his Etudes, Sonatinas etc.-fine works.

Hartmann- The name is familiar...hmmm.

Beethoven- The Egmont- very interesting info., thanks. This work is not my fave Beethoven work, I prefer the symphonies and the piano sonatas, and there`s another overture (I forgot the name!) that I like better too. It`s still a great work though, of course!

Tchaikovsky- the 1812 overture has to be one of the most exciting works! So many of his works are wonderful. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

If anyone wants to join in this discussion, feel free! The more the merrier! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

rojo
Aug-28-2005, 07:15
Hej,

After consulting a list of Beethoven works, I think it is the Egmont Overture I like best after all! Because it`s neither the Corolian nor the Fidelio. I must relisten to it to refresh my memory. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

So thanks again for all the info about it!

AnnaBanana
Aug-28-2005, 13:04
Hiya,
You metioned the Elgar Enigma Variations. Not sure which one it is, but I love it as a choral work (Lux Etearna(sp?)), having had a chance to perform it at a music summerschool. Even with 40 young musicians, we still only managed 5 of the 8 parts!! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Also the story behind it with the women in the concentration camps singing from memory, I think is wonderful,
Anna https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banana.gif https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banana.gif

AnnaBanana
Aug-28-2005, 13:39
Here is a sample (track 10 I think):
http://www.handelandhaydn.org/shop/cd_details/cd_peace.htm
Anna https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banana.gif https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banana.gif

corno
Aug-28-2005, 15:38
The "Lux Aeterna" is the "Nimrod" variation from the "Enigma Variations". - Interesting with a choral version, and it really sounds good too! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

corno
Aug-28-2005, 17:04
Well most of the music I've mentioned so far are amongst what I would consider the "core" of the "classical music repertoire" today.

I know of Sibelius' Violin Concerto. I don't myself prefer some music in regards to other - there's of course some music I listen to rarely than others, but in my experience it's mostly a matter of personal mood which sets the "musical requirements".

Carl Nielsen has written a "fantasy" for oboe and piano, I don't know if it's the one you're refering to? I've both heard and played the (wood)wind quintet.

Kuhlau has also written the music for the Danish "goldenage" play "Elverhøj" ("The Elf Mound" - roughly translated) which is amongst the highly treasured stagepiece of that era and which also includes one of the two Danish "national anthems" - this one being the royal anthem - as opposed to the more widely regarded "Det er et yndigt land" ("A lovely land is ours") which is the one used at international sporting events. He's also been instrumental in introducing some of the old Danish folktunes - of which several are featured in "Elverhøj". - And naturally, as a hornplayer there's also his concertpiece for two horns and orchestra. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Hartman is probably one of the least known composers abroad, having contributed in no small part to the Danish "sangskat" (treasure of songs - direct translation), a word describing the songs written mainly in the middle of the 19th century but which also streches back to the early rennaisance and the earlist of folktunes.

Jette
Aug-28-2005, 17:18
the Danish "goldenage" play "Elverhøj" ("The Elf Mound" - roughly translated)



It`s called The hill of the elves https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Jette https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

corno
Aug-28-2005, 17:38
Or "Elves' Hill" (as it's not "Elverhøjen") and probably several other versions, take your pick - what about "roughly" wasn't clear?

rojo
Aug-28-2005, 18:37
Hej,

Firstly, I must agree, the choral rendition of the Elgar work is indeed very good!

I myself definitely prefer some music in regards (or as compared) to others! Because some music moves me more than other music. And to me, that`s what is great about music- it moves us. The Sibelius Violin Concerto moves me more than Finlandia. What can I say, I find it to be an absolutely beautiful work, and it gets to me on an emotional level. Although I must admit it has been a while since I listened to Finlandia...

Yes, it is indeed the Fantasy for Oboe and Piano. Haven`t played it in a long time, I`ve forgotten how it goes. Do you like the Nielsen Quintet? If memory serves, it is very good.

Interesting info about Kuhlau and Hartmann, thanks. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

corno
Aug-30-2005, 21:45
I'm currently listening to Dvorak's 9th symphony with LA Phil and Zubin Metha. It's a nice recording, and the symphony is as I remember it, including the 1st movement which I couldn't remember when you wrote about it earlier.
It's striking how similar the beginning of the 3rd movement is similar to the beginning of the same movement in Beethoven's 9th symphony (the scherzo-esque tempo/rhythms).
And a powerfull 4th movement reminicent of the symphonies of Tchaikowsky. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

rojo
Aug-31-2005, 07:14
Hej Corno,

Do you like it? The New World Symphony, I mean.

Btw, I listened to a concert the other night on tv- Gil Shaham (sp?) playing the Sibelius Violin Concerto with NY Phil. He was very, very good (I admire anyone who takes up this difficult/wonderful work), but it was not the very best rendition I have heard. Nevertheless, the exquisiteness of the music itself always comes through. I think this is a good test of whether or not a work is a truly superior one; it seems no matter who plays the work (within reason, of course- no beginners-haha), it`s still great- I still got goosebumps! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The whole work is super; as soon as I hear the opening violin line, I melt! And the 2nd mvt. is absolutely beautiful. The 3rd mvt. is technically brutal, and awesome to listen to.

Does anyone out there have an opinion on this work? https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Julien A. Laurent
Sep-24-2005, 16:25
I am absolutely in love with the Molto Vivace movement from Beethoven's 9th symphony. It's a fugal masterpiece, and it is colored wonderfully. Otherwise I like no Beethoven whatsoever...

Die Moldau is good, I would also mention The Sorcerer's Apprentice, Mars and Jupiter from the Planets, Fanfare for the Common Man...

That's all I can think of right now,

Julien

rojo
Sep-25-2005, 06:33
Wow, no other Beethoven whatsoever? That`s unusual. Have you listened to many/any of his other works? Not that I`m trying to sway your opinion- he`s not even my favourite composer. At least you didn`t say his Fur Elise was your favourite (piano teacher joke- it`s the most requested piece by students, so we get kind of tired of it. Not that it`s a bad piece, but...)

It`s just that usually when one likes a piece/song by an artist/composer, one can sometimes find one or more other works by them that one likes also. Not that this is always the case.

Dukas`s Sorcerer`s Apprentice is an interesting choice. Holst`s Mars is pretty impressive, I must say. I`ve forgotten how Jupiter goes. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

corno
Sep-25-2005, 10:11
"Jupiter, the bringer of Jollity" is more in line, with regards to form, with the "Pomp and Circumstances" marches by Elgar with it's bordering on "flamboyant"/"virtuoso" introductions and it's extremely cantabile "trio"/center parts. It's one of my favorites among the "planets". https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Christine Callisen
Sep-25-2005, 14:12
My all-time favourite is "Rondo all Turca" by Mozart. I really think it´s a fantastic piece of music. 3 years ago I could play it myself, but unfortunetly I think my fingers need some practise to do that over again.... https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

rojo
Sep-25-2005, 18:23
Hej Christine,

Yeah, I hear ya. There are some technically challenging parts in Mozart`s Rondo Alla Turca, (like the sixteenth note passages, the left hand rolled notes...) especially if you want to play it with some speed. I`ve taught the real version only once- one has to be pretty advanced to play the real one in it`s entirety- lots of people just play simpler arrangements of this work, of which there are many.

While it`s not my favourite, I do find it an excellent piece. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Christine Callisen
Sep-25-2005, 19:08
Well I´m glad to hear, I´m not the only one who likes it! I was playing the real one because I wanted a challenge - that was really cool to do, but ekstremly time-comsuming. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

You are right - the sixteenth note passages, is also really my favourite place! It´s hard to amagine, how a person can write someting like that https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nut.gif

rojo
Sep-25-2005, 21:35
Well, learning that piece is quite an accomplishment- a pat on the back goes to you! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

In general, relearning something is easier than starting from scratch- maybe you could pick it back up if you like it that much. (There`s the piano teacher in me talking again!)

Trouble with fancy pieces in general is they need constant maintenance to keep them in shape. That is also time-consuming. Although if one plays it at least now and then, one doesn`t lose too much. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Christine Callisen
Sep-25-2005, 22:47
Thanks https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I have tought of picking it up again, it´s a shame to use a lot of time to make something perfect and then just forget to practice.... But I simply haven´t got the time. And if i should start playing mozart again, then I want to make sure it´s done right!
But yes - I understand what you mean!

When you repractice a classical music work, then do you play it in small pieces or just the whole over and over again? https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

rojo
Sep-26-2005, 07:06
Well, in general, I would say one should start at the beginning and see how far one can get. If it has been a long time since the work has been played, this may take a while and be quite arduous. But once one gets going, the rest may start to come back fairly quickly. Usually this is what happens.

After that, it just needs polishing up- replaying the more difficult parts, increasing the speed and checking the dynamics etc.

Because of time limitations, one can`t hold on to every single piece one has ever learned to perfection, (well, maybe some of us can, but not me) especially the longer ones. So sometimes I`ll just retain my favourite sections of pieces. Maybe you could try that. Although, I don`t see how you could pick a favourite part of the Mozart; it`s pretty much all good! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Christine Callisen
Sep-26-2005, 08:33
Ha ha - you´re right! It´s hard to choice a favourite Mozart part. But now you have given me the little push to start playing Rondo Alla Turca again https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif

Then I hope you´re right when you say that when one gets going, the rest may start to come back fairly quickly! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

corno
Sep-26-2005, 11:40
Just a quick note for those interested in playing the "hard version" of the "Rondo Alla Turka".
It's the third and final movement of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's Piano Sonata No. 11 in A major - KV 331.

More information can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_Sonata,_K._331_(Mozart)

Christine Callisen
Sep-26-2005, 12:29
Thanks Corno - interessting to read some background about it! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

rojo
Sep-26-2005, 17:45
Visiting the site Corno posted reminded me, kinda funny, the same student that I taught Rondo Alla Turca to? I had also taught him Dave Brubeck`s Blue Rondo a la Turk! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Two very different pieces!

Hey, music teachers have to find humour where we can! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Christine Callisen
Sep-26-2005, 17:48
Ha ha - well you only have the fun you make your self https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

rojo
Sep-26-2005, 18:02
Christine- Glad to hear it! I can`t guarantee how quickly you can get it back, especially since it has been three years since you played it. But you won`t know unless you try! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

So good luck with that. If you succeed in getting some or all of it back, you could always try to maintain it by playing it every now and then. Then you won`t lose it entirely.

If you feel like it, let us know how it goes! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

rojo
Sep-26-2005, 18:04
Hey, you made a post while I was making a follow-up post! Funny.

No matter- I reiterate my last post.

Christine Callisen
Sep-26-2005, 18:25
Ha ha - Funny! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thanks for your advice, I will tell you how it goes.... I think it will be a long process, but when I´m finish I will be extremly satisfied! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/up.gif

Grinnin
Oct-17-2005, 07:08
This is really tough, there are so many. But I think I would have to say Brahms 2nd Symphony. Second would be Dvorak's 9th Symphony nad 3rd would be Rachmaninoff's 2nd Piano Concerto.

KBOC
Oct-17-2005, 15:51
Smetena's Moldau
Shaherezad, Capriccio Espagnol and the Russian Eastern Oveture by Rimsky-Korsikov (which always seem to come on the same LP, probably the best value in Classical Music)
John Williams' Olympic Spirit
Aaron Copeland's Fanfare for the Common Man

I think it would take me an hour to list all my favorites https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

rojo
Oct-17-2005, 18:32
Grinnin- Yup, yup and yup- all fine works! Good choices, in my humble opinion. Dvorak`s use of Czech and American folk elements in the 9th symphony is interesting, and what an exhilarating work it is! If one needs cheering/pumping up, this symphony`s first mvt. can do it! The Brahms and the Rachmaninov- just beautiful stuff.

KBOC- It`s funny how popular the Moldau is- one hears it fairly often in concert. Have you read the discussion of it previously in this thread? Sheherazade and Capriccio Espagnol- very exciting works. I seem to like many symphonic poems as well.

I think everyone agrees about the difficulty of picking a single favourite work! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

KBOC
Oct-17-2005, 18:43
I've only been to one Classical concert in my lifetime (I was nine years old https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif)

Shaherezad, I believe, is probably the inspiration for a host of movie music... I heard a few years ago that George Lucas wrote Star Wars to it... (rumor, dunno that it's true).

I guess my taste in music could best be described as "Pompus with Depth"

For instance:

I cannot stand anything by John Phillip Souza! Pompous with no depth... (yuk!)

Tchycovsky's 1812 oveture, IMHO, is far more appropriate for what Sousa's work is used to convey...

I cannot pick a single favorite... I listen to music in series... pieces that complement eachother.

Basil Poledouris' Theology followed by Aaron Copeland's Fanfare for the Common Man.

Howard Shore's Concerning Hobbits with Beetoven's Pastoral Symphoney

rojo
Oct-17-2005, 19:06
Hey KBOC,

Do you mean John Phillip Sousa, the march king?

Do you like Holst`s the Planets and/or Elgar`s work? These are also fairly pompous yet with depth. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

KBOC
Oct-17-2005, 19:15
Emerson Lake and Palmer did a FAN ASS TASTIC rendition of Mars, Bringer of War! It turned me on to Holst https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I'm unfamiliar with Elgar.

So far as Sousa yes... but a lot of his stuff barely qualifies as a march... Stars and Stripes Forever... uhg... I have no words to describe how horrible I think this piece is... Give me John William's Raider's march any day https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

rojo
Oct-17-2005, 20:59
I knew you`d be a Holst fan! You sure you never heard Pomp and Circumstance by Elgar? People play it at graduation ceremonies sometimes. That`s perhaps one of his best known works. I mention it mainly because it`s got the word pomp right there in the title.

I really like prog rock a lot, although I don`t know all the songs. Haven`t listened to much in a while, but from what I remember ELP had some great stuff. Didn`t they also do a version of Fanfare for the Common Man? Or was that another group. Do you like that version too?

I find it rather odd to compare Sousa works to Tchaikovsky`s 1812 because they are such different forms and styles, but I guess I see the comparison from a likes/dislikes standpoint. I find Sousa marches fun, but nowhere near as stimulating as the thrilling Tchaik. work, which is much more complex and moving.

I have to admit, I`m not really up on the recent film stuff- not much of a movie goer. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

KBOC
Oct-17-2005, 21:35
Doh... I do know Pomp and Circomstance. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Other than that, I'm unfamiliar with Elgar's work and I don't think I've ever heard his name before.

I don't know that ELP did Copeland. If they did, I'd like to hear it.

I suppose Sousa's work is meant to be lighthearted. I find it shallow... I'm not sure how I can justify the comparrison to the 1812 oveture, but when I think on how a march should sound, that's the music I think of... (though I know it's not a march)...

On movie music, I think I was a teenager when I really got into Classical, and it was mainly due to Star Wars. From there I learned of Swan Lake, the Mouldau, Vivaldi's Seasons... my slide into being a fan came slowly... I must remind you I have zero in the way of musical education.

rojo
Oct-17-2005, 21:55
It`s funny- often folks know more classical works than they think!

Gotta go to work now- I`ll try to get back to you later on that version of Fanfare. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Grinnin
Oct-18-2005, 02:08
KBOC, sometimes I think it's because we hear Elgar and Souza's music so often in everyday life that we don't find much depth in them. For example, I hear Pomp and Circumstance or Star's and Stripes Forever, or his other marches in TV commercials or as background music where it isn't played very well, or with many instruments. Then you go to hear it in a live concert where it's being played really well and it sounds like a different song.

rojo
Oct-18-2005, 06:48
KBOC- just to get back to you- ELP did in fact do Fanfare for the Common Man; if you`d like to give part of it a listen, there`s a free sample of it at Amazon.com, ELP greatest hits (I think).

Let me/us know what you think of it if you feel like it.

Also, one doesn`t need a music education to know what one likes to listen to- most everybody likes some music or other, educated or not. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

ebs
Nov-23-2005, 22:48
My favorite classical work is....

chopin - fantasia inpromptu opus 66

amazing piano playing

rojo
Nov-24-2005, 07:14
Hey ebs, (a fellow canadian!)

I can understand that; it is indeed a super piece! Quite a technical challenge to play, but well worth the effort, IMHO. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

ebs
Nov-24-2005, 20:34
Yes - I agree its a great piece of music.
I'm learning how to play it on an electric guitar - two hand tapping like the jazz guitar player STANLEY JORDAN, its quite crazy actaully but it sounds good too.

rojo
Nov-24-2005, 23:52
Wow, on el. guitar- that`s cool. Why not. Would definitely like to hear that. Maybe with a little distortion, fuzz or whatever... just kidding- it`s just that classical and rock are my fave styles. I enjoy fusion of the two. I also enjoy jazz, but I`m afraid that as a pianist, I`m not all that familiar with the jazz guitar greats; I know the pianists better. Although I have definitely heard of Stanley Jordan, and would probably recognize some of his work. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DanielFullard
Dec-01-2005, 16:52
I must say that Vivaldis 'Four Seasons' is something that first pops to mind.....no matter how many times I hear it I cannot help but listen in awe at the sheer magical, rousing, uplifting genius that is unfolding before my very ears

Mozarts Horn Concertos a very close second

rojo
Dec-01-2005, 19:16
I find that`s the perfect word to describe Vivaldi`s Four Seasons- uplifting. I find them (it) to be timeless in that way; it`s almost always great, no matter who is playing it, where or when...

Mozart sure did write a lot of fine concerti, for many instruments... https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

DanielFullard
Dec-01-2005, 21:33
I find that`s the perfect word to describe Vivaldi`s Four Seasons- uplifting. I find them (it) to be timeless in that way; it`s almost always great, no matter who is playing it, where or when...

Mozart sure did write a lot of fine concerti, for many instruments... https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Glad you agree.....

Whats your fav mozart conceroto then?&gt;

rojo
Dec-01-2005, 22:13
Well, I really like his Piano Concerto no. 20 in d minor, the first mvt.

I also like his other concerti for wind instruments: flute, oboe, clarinet...can`t remember which is my fave though- haven`t listened to them in a while...

Mozart sure wrote a loooot of good stuff in his short life! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thomas Dressler
Dec-08-2005, 01:56
If I were stuck on a desert island with only one recording (that is assuming there was electricity and something to play it on) it would be the B minor Mass by JS Bach. I've been listening to it for almost 30 years and I never get tired of it.

rojo
Dec-08-2005, 18:37
Hmm... I don`t recall whether I know this work. I do know his St. Matthew Passion fairly well (really like that one)...can you suggest a section of it that one might recognize or particularly enjoy? When I get the sound on my PC working again (it`s on the fritz), I`ll go look for it. I`ll probably say "oh yeah, that one!" when I hear it. That`s usually what happens https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thomas Dressler
Dec-09-2005, 07:17
If you like the St. Matthew Passion, you might like the B minor Mass. I think maybe the most well known movements might be the first movement of the Gloria ("Gloria in excelsis Deo") and maybe the "Crucifixus" movement from the Credo. When I'm trying to check something like this out, I usually go to a place like Amazon and listen to clips, so you can listen here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000005EDL/qid=1134104912/sr=8-5/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i5_xgl15/002-2860076-9144034?v=glance&amp;s=classical&amp;n=507846)

This is a recording by Ton Koopman. I don't have this particular recording so I can't specifically recommend this one, but I like many of his Bach recordings. (The ones with orchestra and/or choir. I wouldn't always recommend his solo organ or harpsichord recordings.)

Thomas Dressler

giovannimusica
Dec-09-2005, 10:08
One of the toughest questions I've come across...

I must use two composers to more adequately convey an otherwise personal view:

Bach: B minor Mass
Rachmaninoff: 3rd Piano Concerto

The Bach B minor Mass is in my mind the most superbly and divinely crafted works ever to be etched on a piece of paper - I can listen to it day in and day out and it always sounds fresh as the morning dew dripping off the Cherry Blossoms on an early mid to late Spring morning in the countryside.

The Rachmaninoff 3rd Piano Concerto is the work that separates the men from the boys - The Long Cadenza in the first movement gives me, pardon my french, a volcanic orgasm. Hearing Vladimir Ashkenazy thunder-out those massive fortissimo chords for the first time when I was an impressionable boy at the tender age of 12 made me after the concert scream to my parents that the *Rach* 3rd was the object that I wanted to pounce on and devour whole - much to the chagrin of my piano prof. I learnt it but now I only use it to illustrate what a master Rachmaninoff really was. He really was the last Russian composer who spoke to the whole Soul of the Russian People. A Titan such as he is not on the horizon for most of the foreseeable future.

Ciao,

Giovanni

rojo
Dec-09-2005, 18:52
Well, now I`m really frustrated. The sound on my computer is still not working. Argh! With two such high recommendations, I can hardly wait to hear the Bach B Minor Mass. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

As for Rachmaninov, in general, I think his music continues to speak to many, due to the powerful emotions it provokes in the listener. And to me, that`s what music is all about... https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Marek Michalak
Dec-11-2005, 22:03
That's hard https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
It's not possible for me to choose one sinle work which is my favorite.

I will join Thomas as I too find the Bach's Mass in b-minor a wonderful work and consider it to be one of my most favorite pieces of classical music.
But I also love the Goldberg Variations and Kunst der Fuge/Art of the Fugue....and probably half of Bach's solo keyboard work and the rest I am mostly not yet familiar enough with to make a judgement https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thomas, do you know the recording of the B-minor Mass by the Deutsche Bachakademie under the direction on Helmut Rilling? That is so far my favorite recording of the work.

Regards,
Marek

Thomas Dressler
Dec-14-2005, 07:41
Hi Marek,

No, I don't know that recording. I did some scouting for clips on Amazon and found another recording conducted by Rilling. I generally tend to like historically oriented performances, but I'll say that these clips had a very nice sense of emotional drama and also nice clarity. I tend to like faster tempos, but not too fast. There are no recordings I'm aware of that I feel are really ideal, but for various reasons I have enjoyed the Leonhardt recording that came out around 1990. There are things I really disagree with in his performance, but there are also things I like about it. My love for this music is so intense that I like a number of recordings of it, even if I don't agree with everything about them.

I'm with you on liking many different works of Bach. I also love the Goldberg variations--probably my favorite of his keyboard works; and I would say my second favorite is the French Overture. I'm a big fan of the St. John's Passion (yes, I'm one of the strange ones who likes the St. John more than the St. Matthew.) Of course, being an organist, I like much of his organ music, particularly the St. Anne Prelude and Fugue, the Piece d'Orgue (Fantasia in G). . .hmmmm, does it seem I especially like his French inspired keyboard works?? https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

While there are many other composers I like, Brahms especially as well as so many others, I always come back to Bach. At 43 years old, there is still much of his music I don't know. . .as I listen to the cantatas I am completely astonished at how unbelievable his creativity was.

It's hard to narrow it down to a single piece, but while there are so many I like, if I had to choose one, it would be the B minor Mass.

Tom

PipeOrganBuilder
Dec-16-2005, 00:20
I think, if I had to choose, I would listen to Mozart's Requiem for the rest of my days. I say this, having nixed a lot of other pieces in the running: Pictures at an Exhibition, Rachmoninov's 3rd Piano Concerto, Bach's Toccatas and Fugues, Vaughn-Williams' Fantasia on a theme of Thomas Tallis...I could go on. In my case, asking about my favorite piece of music is like asking a parent which is their favorite child.

Gareth
Dec-20-2005, 03:25
The composer that I like best that does orchesteral music, would probably have to be Dvorak, but the song that I like is Done by beethoven his 9th symphony, as of all the difficulties he had to endure to get sound to reach his ears and although it might have been absolute junk when he conducted it, i still think he did really well in it, and also adding an unusual choral part to a symphony.

acciaccatura
Dec-22-2005, 23:03
Could not choose between Beethoven's Bagatelles op. 126 and Bruckner's 8th Symphony...

mike777
Jan-16-2006, 21:33
my favorite would be mozarts rondo alla turca....its pretty hard though it took me 3 days....the hardest part is the octaves...actually i find the middle part(with all the 16th notes) to be easier than the octaves....lol

rojo
Jan-16-2006, 22:21
It`s pretty hard, you say, yet it took you only 3 days? Do you mean to learn the whole thing? Maybe your definition of 'hard' is not the same as mine...were you playing it nonstop for three days or what? https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

mike777
Jan-16-2006, 22:43
oh yeah non stop hours and hours, but i mean it took me three days to get the notes and everything, now im perfecting it...and i dont think im being challenged that much because the longest ive ever worked on a piece was 2 weeks on mozarts sonata in C and that was a year ago

rojo
Jan-16-2006, 23:00
Sounds like you may be in need of more challenging material then- try harder stuff...

Gareth
Jan-17-2006, 02:39
The piece that took me 4 months to complete was The Entertainer, as you can probably see by that, I am not a professional just as yet, I slacked off for a while, so it would have been 2 months or so.

AnnaBanana
Jan-17-2006, 19:20
Oh my teacher's insistant that she will get me to play some ragtime and I do like it but I can't get the left hand. oh well, it's all practice... ...

rojo
Jan-18-2006, 07:06
it's all practice...



Absolutely! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

And patience... https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

acc
Jan-19-2006, 00:45
My favourite is the Symphonie Romane, an organ work by Charles-Marie Widor (1844-1937). I haven't grown tired of it in over 20 years since I first discovered it.

"There goes the organ-freak again", you might say. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif OK, so let me peek outside the organ world: then my choice would be Tapiola by Sibelius.