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Dorsetmike
Feb-26-2010, 00:11
[rant mode on]
I've been searching the web for a programme which will allow the editing and inserting of control and programme change messages. Plenty of them about if you only want to edit notes, volume and speed, but unless you want to spend an arm and a leg or two no control capability. One or two claim top offer control editing, but turn outr to be "crippleware" which either prevents you saving your work or adds beeps every 30 seconds and pops up messages saying "Buy me now, only £xxx for the full version"

I'm on a pension, food and fuel take a priority, the other alternative would be to buy a midi controller or keypad, money again, the software versions of those don't seem to run to programme change either.

On the "piano roll" display which a lot of these editors use, why can they not add the option to insert a control message, they manage to do that with notes, volume and speed changes, why not control and programme changes?

[/rant over]

Contratrombone64
Feb-26-2010, 00:53
Mike,

I always find gnashing of teeth helpful when you're in rant mode.

David

Dorsetmike
Feb-26-2010, 00:55
Not really got enough teeth left for an effective Gnash!!

ePostings
Feb-26-2010, 02:12
Actually music software was what brought me here. I was also searching and became a bit disappointed that this forum did not have a better section for it. We could have pinned threads in it about the best freeware for:

Music notation
Composing music
Music recording

And the likes. A small resource center so to speak...

ePostings
Feb-26-2010, 02:19
I have no idea what this software can do. It's called LMMS - and can run in Linux and Windows: http://lmms.sourceforge.net/

Dorsetmike
Feb-26-2010, 14:02
Yep it runs in Linux and Widows, but when you download it, its in a load of C++ or similar files that need compiling,
"I don't mind a joke but you know what to do with a pantomime!" ;) ;)

Dorsetmike
Feb-26-2010, 16:07
Since found the windows version, somewhat hidden among the Linux stuff. Downloaded and installed, horrible screen, mostly dark grey on black, little or no help, on line help is in Wiki and nowhere near complete, controllers opens a blank page.

I managed to open a midi file, then had to magnify it 800% to see anything clearly, even then it was only the time (horizontal) scale that expanded, not the vertical.

All the terminology is DJ and rock oriented, I rate it useless for VPO work. (GrandeOrgue etc).

Back to the Google search, third day thereof!

ePostings
Feb-27-2010, 21:29
Sorry to hear that. It was what I could find...

Dorsetmike
Feb-27-2010, 21:40
I've joined a couple of forums that look to have reasonable Midi content, if anything comes out of them I'll pass it on here.

ePostings
Feb-27-2010, 21:47
Thanks! :-)

Dorsetmike
Mar-17-2010, 16:45
Well the Midi Ox forum, I posted a query, after 10 days with no response I decided not to wait any longer and cancelled my membership.

Tried Harmony Central, had one response in about 3 weeks which was a link to a programme that crashed claiming a floating point error every time I tried to open it, so that got uninstalled.

Dorsetmike
Apr-15-2010, 14:46
As mentioned in a post to the Digital organ forum, I have found a good Midi editor, Midiocre

http://www.hammersoftware.net/midiocre.html

I did try it once before, but didn't find what I was after, eventually found it on revisiting it, the edit function I was after was hidden, it needed a right click to open a dialogue box with numerous edit functions.

millions
Jul-11-2013, 20:36
[rant mode on]
I've been searching the web for a programme which will allow the editing and inserting of control and programme change messages. Plenty of them about if you only want to edit notes, volume and speed, but unless you want to spend an arm and a leg or two no control capability. One or two claim top offer control editing, but turn outr to be "crippleware" which either prevents you saving your work or adds beeps every 30 seconds and pops up messages saying "Buy me now, only £xxx for the full version"

I'm on a pension, food and fuel take a priority, the other alternative would be to buy a midi controller or keypad, money again, the software versions of those don't seem to run to programme change either.

On the "piano roll" display which a lot of these editors use, why can they not add the option to insert a control message, they manage to do that with notes, volume and speed changes, why not control and programme changes?

[/rant over]

What you need is a MIDI events editor, as in LOGIC. Most piano-roll or matrix editors do not include all MIDI information. Although not as "pretty" as a piano-roll, you'll find that a list-type events editor is a very powerful tool.

Dorsetmike
Jul-11-2013, 21:03
See my post immediately above yours, I now use Midiocre, having uncovered the way to do it - right click and you get a comprehensive window for editing. I find it very powerful in fact.

I import a score into Finalé, edit if I want then export as a MIDI and add control and programme changes anywhere I want.

Kaskaden
Mar-17-2014, 16:31
Hi,

You might want to try scorecloud.com.

It's an amazing piece of software to manipulate MIDI and notation.

Good luck,

Bengt

musicteach
Apr-05-2014, 18:16
I always recommend MuseScore (http://musescore.com/). It's what I personally use to write the scores for shows and such.

Dorsetmike
Apr-05-2014, 19:15
I mainly wanted to edit in stop control for Grand Orgue using Bx and Cx control and programme change commands. it looks to me as though every MIDI function and command is editable in MidiOchre. Many of the codes have no relevance for a pipe organ, but all those that are relevant work for me.