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Alban Berg
Mar-21-2011, 19:22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_music

I love this music! Franz Schreker, Alexander Zemlinsky, Kurt Weil and others...They also composed many operas.

Please tell us your experiences, your tastes...
Martin


:cool:
Martin

Contratrombone64
Mar-22-2011, 00:55
As the article is in obvious need of citation and references I'd not pay any attention to it whatsoever. Such is the mess that is vomitted up on Wikipedia and profered as fact, foolish the person who reads it and believes.

Alban Berg
Mar-22-2011, 03:53
As the article is in obvious need of citation and references I'd not pay any attention to it whatsoever. Such is the mess that is vomitted up on Wikipedia and profered as fact, foolish the person who reads it and believes.
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If you were really interested I'd tell you what I know...But I don't think you are interested in it...Your other interventions were always mocking...In my opinion, you are not willing to learn anything from me...you already know everything and that is perfectly ok...You can look for it in another sites, they are key composers. As you can see...I'm learning to read between lines...(as you have suggested)...I am an open minded guy...I'll continue learning all my life...



Martin

teddy
Mar-22-2011, 15:03
Now now, play nicely or I won' let you have a duck.

teddy

Alban Berg
Mar-22-2011, 15:32
The solution?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0714IbwC3HA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0714IbwC3HA)

Martin

Alban Berg
Mar-22-2011, 19:57
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_music

I love this music! Franz Schreker, Alexander Zemlinsky, Kurt Weil and others...They also composed many operas.

Please tell us your experiences, your tastes...
Martin


:cool:
Martin

http://holdekunst.com/degenerate-music/ (http://holdekunst.com/degenerate-music/) seems to be a serious site...

some relevant excerpts:

Entartete Musik (“degenerate music” in German) is the epithet invented by the Nazi regime for music they deemed ideologically (or ethnically) objectionable.



Web Resources

Degenerate Music (Teacher’s Guide to the Holocaust) (http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/arts/musDegen.htm)
Nineteenth-century psychologists introduced the term degenerate or entartete to describe any deviance or clinical mental illness. Later a broader definition was applied to include scientific literature (medical, biology and anthropology). By 1933 Hitler’s Third Reich referred to the mentally ill, communists, Gypsies, homosexuals and Jews as subspecies of the human race…

Then...those composers were Jewish: Mahler, Zemlinsky, Schreker, Weil were the main representatives of this "segregation".

To be followed.

Martin

White Knight
Mar-22-2011, 21:49
Martin, your points and arguments on this matter are well taken indeed. Hang in there!

Alban Berg
Mar-22-2011, 22:06
Martin, your points and arguments on this matter are well taken indeed. Hang in there!

Martin, answering in the easiest language!!!!!

Alban Berg
Mar-23-2011, 06:16
Alexander Zemlinsky (1871-1942):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hiJOp7gxjM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hiJOp7gxjM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0snAu0HWLo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0snAu0HWLo&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K-34IvkpoI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K-34IvkpoI)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMcOYgTKNwk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMcOYgTKNwk&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7B0fcgL4W0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7B0fcgL4W0&feature=related)

Enjoy,

Martin

Alban Berg
Mar-23-2011, 06:33
Awesome Schreker: one of his best operas...the prelude...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IMU4rfCUtE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IMU4rfCUtE)

Isn't this incredibly beautiful?

Martin

wljmrbill
Mar-23-2011, 08:42
such uplifting and soaring music.. never heard this before. I must listen to the rest of the links there..Thanks

Corno Dolce
Mar-23-2011, 08:47
Since this is the Opera Forum Thread I must add my $0.03 cents worth - Das Wunder der Heliane by Erich Wolfgang Korngold is as ultrahyper-romantic as they come - So much shamelessly schmaltzy ooze, and so wonderfully orchestrated to boot :grin::grin::grin:

Alban Berg
Mar-23-2011, 14:09
Since this is the Opera Forum Thread I must add my $0.03 cents worth - Das Wunder der Heliane by Erich Wolfgang Korngold is as ultrahyper-romantic as they come - So much shamelessly schmaltzy ooze, and so wonderfully orchestrated to boot :grin::grin::grin:

Indeed, this opera is wonderful!..schmaltzy ooze, I don't understand the meaning of this...Of course he composed many other beautiful operas, his first one, Violanta is refreshing....Der Ring des Plykrates and Die Kathrin are less good but still

This guy was lucky because he went to USA and started composing sound tracks...Zemlisnky and Schreker died in their mysery.

Martin

Corno Dolce
Mar-23-2011, 21:40
Indeed, this opera is wonderful!..schmaltzy ooze, I don't understand the meaning of this...

Martin


Schmaltzy ooze: Like a thick honey-amber goo that is sticky like heck and ultrasweet too - N.B. my transliteration of the term

Alban Berg
Mar-23-2011, 22:19
Korngold:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEs3GMEAqYA&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEs3GMEAqYA&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLn71WIbJsM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLn71WIbJsM)

Zemlinsnky, a wonderful symphony:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LnZxJBONhI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LnZxJBONhI&feature=related)

Martin

Alban Berg
Mar-28-2011, 21:22
You're wasting your time!

Nobody likes that here! I'm not sure they like music at all! LOL

Just some curious people looking around and they see the're is a new blog...Some (the most polite) say nothing others put garbage...

But don't fool yourself. You're really wastiing your time.

Martin

Tesla
Nov-15-2012, 07:15
Korngold's Heliane has been a passion of mine for quite some time now, the Decca Entartete Musik recording with Anna T-S in the title role.

Yes, one could call it shameless, saccharine, schmaltzy and whatever else. The plot borders on the ridiculous; but the music........ohhh that music is divine. EWK was a 20thC Mendelssohn in terms of his precociousness. Mr. Corno Dolce, I am with you on this 100%!

JHC
Dec-19-2012, 01:50
How did I miss this thread, poor old Martin it could have been very interesting, sighhhhhhhh

JHC
Dec-21-2012, 04:56
Yeh you can't get any better than a good riff so to hell with Adolf.............