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giovannimusica
Jan-07-2006, 23:07
Ok,

Who are the top three Jazz musicians/arrangers/composers past and present?

Suggestions:

1. Scott Joplin
2. Fats Waller
3. Duke Ellington


Cheers,

Giovanni https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

giovannimusica
Jan-07-2006, 23:33
Darn it!!!

I almost forgot two seminal instrumentalists: Pat Metheny and Lyle Mays


Giovanni

Rune Vejby
Jan-08-2006, 01:12
Well, that is very hard to say https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Pat Metheny is great in my opinion but I don't feel he is on the same level as for instance Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong.

Armstrong will probably always be my favourite https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Rune Vejby
Jan-08-2006, 01:15
By the way, when speaking of Pat Metheny, some of his non-jazz works are real treasures!! I can recommend the instrumental track Sueno Con Mexico which is more or less ambient/chill in terms of musical style..... great stuff!

giovannimusica
Jan-08-2006, 03:35
Rune,

Sueno Con Mexico is a great track. Another great track is *If I Could* from the album First Circle - Pat Metheny shows himself to be a poet of the acoustic guitar.

Cheers,

Giovanni https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tiphat.gif

bainsk8
Jan-08-2006, 04:28
This is a tough one, but not only did he have his on style of playing, he in fact invented the style of Rag Time so for me it has to be Scott Joplin. I think I'm also right in thinking that he also wrote an opera and was the first African American to compose one.

giovannimusica
Jan-08-2006, 07:47
Hello,

Scott Joplin's opera is entitled "Treemonisha". I saw it once in New Orleans.

Giovanni https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tiphat.gif

Gareth
Jan-08-2006, 08:51
Geez, I never knew he did operahs, I play his entertainer, the complicated version, that I have played far too many times, and now I am sick of it!!!!but thats really good rag there, he was definetely the master of rag, but if you look at his difficulties, his father being a slave, he did really well. But operahs???
I would never have thought.

giovannimusica
Jan-08-2006, 10:45
Hi Gareth,

Yes, Scott Joplin composed an opera, but it was his only one. If my memory serves me, it was the last work he did before dying of a certain venereal disease.

Sad, that such a giant in music was cut down in relatively young years.

Peace Always,

Giovanni https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tiphat.gif

Gareth
Jan-08-2006, 11:52
Yeah, just like Mozart, who knows what these composers could have created in a few years time, pitty though, yeah, thats why I haven't heard of the operah being it the only one he created, well, thats interesting.

bainsk8
Jan-08-2006, 16:15
Giovanni

What was it like? I would love to see it. https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

giovannimusica
Jan-08-2006, 17:42
It's a wonderful opera that portrays a difficult situation in American History. Having played the Joplin Rags, Treemonisha made me aware of Joplin's genius. Here is a link:

http://www.terryblackburn.us/WildIdeas/joplin.htm

Giovanni https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tiphat.gif

bainsk8
Jan-08-2006, 22:04
Thank you Giovanni that was an interesting read. Is it good fun to play his music? It looks like fun when I have watched pianists play his music.

rojo
Jan-08-2006, 23:48
I can`t speak for everybody, but I find it can be rather exhausting! Especially if it`s a long rag...the hands are constantly bouncing around (especially the left one) doing octaves and one should be in pretty good shape to do it justice...but yeah, it`s fun to play; it`s fun music! https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Gareth
Jan-09-2006, 01:42
After playing for 2 hours straight with lots of bouncy soungs, my arms.....but it is fun, I love doing it.

giovannimusica
Jan-09-2006, 02:19
Hi bainsk8,

It is really fun music and I get so relaxed playing it. I would like to share that as day-in and day-out music it would be self-defeating, sorta like a narcosis - will do no good the longer you stay *drugged up*. Thats why I'm also for the music of the classical masters - helps to put everything into perspective.

Cheers,

Giovanni https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tiphat.gif

Gareth
Jan-10-2006, 04:18
I tell you, playing his music is awesome, so lively and bright, I should probably learn some more of his rags, like maple tree rag.

rojo
Jan-10-2006, 05:20
Um, sorry to nitpick, but are you sure you don`t mean Maple 'Leaf' rag, Gareth? https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Gareth
Jan-10-2006, 12:44
Oh yes, I did, ooops, one hell of a typo!!!

Silentking
Jan-15-2006, 21:00
What about Al DiMeola,John McLaughlin, and Paco Delucia they are jazz guitarist

giovannimusica
Jan-16-2006, 00:16
Hi silentking,

Al DiMeola and John McLaughlin are excellent guitarists who play Jazz - Paco de Lucia is a Flamenco guitarist of the first rank - I believe those three guitarists did an album called *Friday Night in San Francisco* and also *Tales from the Black Forest* if my memory serves me... https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/pray.gif


Cheers,

Giovanni https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tiphat.gif

McStrum
Jun-30-2007, 16:42
1. Miles Davis
2. John Coltrane
3. John Mclaughlin

McStrum

intet_at_tabe
Jan-11-2008, 11:01
Hi silentking,

Al DiMeola and John McLaughlin are excellent guitarists who play Jazz - Paco de Lucia is a Flamenco guitarist of the first rank - I believe those three guitarists did an album called *Friday Night in San Francisco* and also *Tales from the Black Forest* if my memory serves me... https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/pray.gif


Cheers,

Giovanni https://www.magle.dk/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tiphat.gif

giovannimusica.

I don´t know if you´re still around, but I would like in a polite way to correct you a bit on Mclaughlin/Di Meola/De Lucia. You were absolutely right about the album "Friday Night in S.F.". , which is a live album with an incrdible interaction between the three of them. Probably the best acoustic guitarists in jazz at the time in the beginning of the 1980´s.

However there is no album with the this trio, titled *Tales from the Black Forest*. *Tales from the Black Forest* is a composition by Al Di Meola and a song on the "Friday Night in S.F." album. The title is from Al Di Meola´s solo album Land Of The Midnight Sun, Columbia Jazz 1976, post his partipitation in Chick Corea´s Return To Forever Band, where Al Di Meola replaced Bill Connors on the two albums "No Mystery" Polydor Records 1975 and "The Romantic Warrior" Sony Music 1976. I f you know of the last one of these, then you know of Di Meola´s incredible technigue on the acoustic guitar. However Al Di Meola and Chick Corea has done this one too as a duo, on one of CC´s albums.

The trio Mclaughlin/Di Meola/De Lucia made two more trio albums. In John Mclaughlin´s name the album "Passion, Grace and Fire" from Columbia Jazz 1983 and "The Guitar Trio" from Polydor Records, France 1996.

Again we can not discuss taste, but personally I feel the first album "Friday Night...." is the very best each of the guitarists soloing. Then suddenly without notice to let the next guy take over the solo without a break. One has to be very talented, years on end of experience and have close musical understanding and interaction with the two others to do so.

Best regards, I hope you´re still around
intet-at-tabe