Ten Reasons Gay Marriage is Un-American

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sunwaiter

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i will play dumb as long as i'm not told ;) but i think i have my little idea about it now.

i have observed other animals before, and other people did lonnnnnng time ago. Lions groups have been seen doing "weird" things, without any help from the hard-working females. i mean, nature is what it is; occasionnalyit can seem surprising, but i agree with you CT i can't see what the sin is.
 

C5Says

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Well love the sinner not the sin is a typical comment a "christian" or "catholic" whatever would make because it justifies their beliefs without abandoning their dogma. It's a bit like having your cake and eating it. Sorry, C5, no offence to you.

Don't worry, nothing taken.

Forget that I mentioned it at all. I don't mean to create a mountain out of an anthill but what I said is applicable to ANY sin. The love mentioned is what got my attention. If you have a friend who is cleptomaniac, if you love that friend, you'll help him/her out of his/her sickness. You don't condone the sin (stealing) but still you love the person. And you actually show the love by helping him/her out of sinning.

Sorry, I don't want to sound religious. :)
 

greatcyber

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It is funny to think that what started out as something humorous exploded into such chaos. After all, in America All Men Are Created Equal, so naturally there couldn't possibly be any bias toward someone who is different, could there? After all, its enshrined in the Constitution.

If you take religion out of marriage, you are left with a civil event. No different than common-law marriage, conjugal relationship or whatever you might choose to call it.

One day, maybe ... ?
 

drummergirlamie

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Have any of you ever thought of how ridiculous it is that the #1 selling book in publication is also the one with the most enigmatic author(s), has been the most redacted, and message(s) thereof have been the most molested?
 

JLS

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i will play dumb as long as i'm not told ;) but i think i have my little idea about it now.

i have observed other animals before, and other people did lonnnnnng time ago. Lions groups have been seen doing "weird" things, without any help from the hard-working females. i mean, nature is what it is; occasionnalyit can seem surprising, but i agree with you CT i can't see what the sin is.

Well, sunwaiter...

A sin is not something concluded to be bad by people, it is something defined as bad by a deity. There need not be any reason for it being bad other than "'cause god says so" and reason has nothing to say about such things. Of course there are numerous attractions and behaviors involved in sexuality -- that is the nature of all life. We see it everywhere, as you point out. Claiming that heterosexuality is good and homosexuality is bad is the same as claiming that meiosis is good and mitosis is bad. Nonsensical.

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sunwaiter

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i assume that a SIN is defined by a church or a deity but nowadays when someone from a christian background like me says "sin" he means "bad thing" " forbidden thing"... i think i never got confused about it. so, to reformulate my question and not to put any more ambiguity into my discourse, i will say:

what is supposed to be bad in gay marriage?

thanks for the meiosis/mitosis image, i like it!
 

John Watt

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Adding my one scent.

I'm going to type a word that I use for myself, in my domain, for a currently unactivated history and commentary. Textual. Said as text-jewel. I have read other textuals here. My mind desires to comment, while my body says no. Here we go.

"Ten Reasons Gay Marriage is Un-American". That's been covered. Poiniently and expansively. Let's be less categorical. Marriage is Un-American. From the polygamists to the unwed, if most marriages end in divorce or separation, how happy a percentage is there?

We are mammals. All mammals are the same. Most mate for life. Displays and fights are fought over mates. The mammals with the biggest brains and hearts live in generational pods. While we share common descent and ascent, overpopulation engenders a rise in same-sex activity and rape. For the first time in known birding observation, a male Swan killed another and paired off with his mate. Stratford, North America. There are other population control mechanisms. Rabbits will reabsorb pregnancies, until a time of exodus. In times of stress, most mammals don't procreate.

Quoting The Bible. This is not English or American history. The Scion has returned. Not Zion, a city of gold and jewels that will fall back to earth on Israel. Israel is real. So is The Scion, James of Scotland. Up to Hadrian's Wall with The Holy Roman Empire, James, looking down from The Highlands, had compassion for his fellow islanders and walked to The Throne of England, giving The Catholic Church a year on the pain of death to sell and abscond. He created The English Dictionary and used it to translate The Holy Bible. He was on to something, as his new language (not Gaelic) has become global. The further you get away from The Holy King James Bible, your translation of spiritual relevancy diminishes. The lengthy and poetic Psalm of David follows The Book of Revelation.

Gay is same sex. You can be born gay. You can be made to be gay. You can decide to be gay. Parts of you can be gay. I am a non-smoker and non-drinker, the descendant of non-smokers and non-drinkers, from The Highlands. While I played guitar and sang all over and had expensive stage equipment, I never learned songs as a band until I was of legal age, 21, when I was hired by a five piece, chick singer showband. The first thing a bartender and club owner told me was to get around, talk to everybody. They said if I just hit on the ladies, it might turn off other customers, and that gay people have more discretionary spending and get out more. That was kind and good advice. Asking me to hang around the buffet for free, or sit at the bar at lunch for free, hungrily inspiring customers, also worked. I had Premier Bill Davis of Ontario sit beside me for twenty minutes that way one day, after a parade. The flaming queen who rushed over to sit after he got up, bought me a hamburger and pop.

I'm hard core left-handed, more ambidextrous than most. As a child, showing or being naked was fun or created problems. Making love, I have stayed in bed for days, kind of sleeping, kind of loving, kind of working up a sweat for hours on end. I like to lose my initial excitement soon, and then keep going at a mutual pace. I can lose it without getting all the way in. I sing, and can sing all day. I play guitar, and can write songs and play all day. I dance, and prowl through life that way. I cry during every "Touched By An Angel" and when General Colin Powell said he would vote for Barack Obama. I was drugged unconscious and raped by two men, professionally. Women I loved for years, who had been previously gang-raped, left me, thinking I would never marry them. I am still single. I still grow old with them. As sad as it gets, travelling alone far from home, living in bars and hotels, sometimes the only way to get rid of naked, drunken and stoned strippers and hookers, was letting them see, or try, and give up on themselves. Conversely, I was standing in a parking lot with the band after a gig, when a stripper from the next club came over and got naked to change beside us. As she brushed past me, saying "excuse me", I said "there's no excuse for you". She turned, and started sobbing. Three months later, in the same city, trying to avoid her in a grocery store, she came up to me and said she quit and got a straight job, and thanked me. Because I love my fellow man, I ran for mayor to really expose evil and a criminal society. People are afraid to be seen publicly with me, and I haven't had a girlfriend in over fifteen years. I'm a born again virgin. Only women have felt me up in public. Men make questions to check me out, women have reasons to make love. The thought of swimming with the dolphins does not arouse me sexually. Neither do dogs who have offered themselves to me. I say this in light of new American farm surveys. Not my type. This isn't my type either, just passing on these words. I say, I would give my left hand little finger if I could see Jimi Hendrix again. I have never met a man who turned me on sexually. I don't get more easier than this.

Share a prayer. Be outside. Take your arms and hold them up to the sun, or it's pale reflection. Touch your thumbs together and make a triangle with your next fingers, looking through at The Sun, or Eye of God, to say Amen, like they did in Egypt before the time of Moses. I don't have to bet you will or you won't. You're banking on that in your wallet already.

The greatest challenge in North America is reconciling The Holy Bible, The Book of Mormon, and The Qu'ran, with The Great Spirit, who still can be heard amongst us.
 
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greatcyber

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10 Reasons Why I Left America

1.) BRIAN WEISZ
One might find this hard to believe, but if you will read the first blog entry here, you will find recounted a story so heinous in nature as to have been the pivotal reason for us leaving south Florida. Having been on the receiving end of death threats from his hateful son, this scumbag of a person who has repeatedly lied to the police, our former neighbors and instilled a posse mentality in our former neighborhood in order to drive us from the area.

We (Joseph Killfoile and I) had to go to court in order to each get an Order of Protection from his disgusting son, who had in the past threatened the lives of other neighbors, most of them who happened to be gay. Brian Weisz and his bitch of a wife, Deborah have been seeking to have the Orders of Protection overturned and filed an appeal. This appeal was denied. If you google his name, you will find a case in the Broward County Court Records which reflect that he has been charged, OBO (On Behalf Of) his putrid son for the charge of REPEATED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. He hired an obviously ineffective lawyer from the Kelly Law Firm in Fort Lauderdale who must be giving him bad advice or else, perhaps, karma has intervened and he has gotten exactly what he deserved for his years of lying about his son's behaviour.

His appeal was denied and Brian Weisz endeavored to have the appeal reheard. That case was also denied.

The bottom line is that, in fear for our safety, Joseph and I (Stephen Clair) had to flee from our home. Being so sickened by all of the biggotry, lies, hate and death threats, we decided to take advantage of the fact the Joe is also a Canadian citizen and relocated to Canada for a chance at a new and better life.

Things improved after we moved. It took about six months before I was able to get the stress of the what we had been through in south Florida out of daily life. Eventually, my health improved and my sanity slowly started to re-emerge. Then, we all but forgot about what we had been through and started to adapt to the more tolerant lifestyle of being Canadians. It was bliss.

Earlier this week, at 10AM, we received a phone call from Brian Weisz who had tracked us down and UNBELIEVABLY he had the nerve to ask us to come to the aid of his wretched son (who seems to be not unlike Damien of Omen fame to us), stating that "we all did things as a child that we are not proud of." Never once did he offer any type of apology. He stated that he did not want the stigma of a police record hanging over his son's head for the rest of his life. Of course, since his son is a minor, logic would tell you that once he is 18 years old, his juvenile record would be sealed.

Joe asked Brian, "what about your appeal?", to which Brian responded, "we are still waiting to hear about that." After doing some quick research on the internet we found that response to be yet another lie, as the appeal and subsequent request to have the appeal reheard were BOTH denied. Even when his son, Nicholas has his juvenile record sealed, Brian Weisz will still have a record himself and to me, that is a small satisfaction for all of the torment his family put us through.

We could not believe the gall of this man, to call us, some 13 months after our going to court to get the Orders of Protection agains his disgusting son who had badgered, bothered, intimidated us and finally threatened to MURDER US for being gay. When we left Florida, I wrote to the Mayor and Board of Commissioners for Broward County as well as to the State's Attorney, Attorney General and Governor, State Senator and State Representative for our neighborhood. Since that did no good, we also wrote to the judge who had issued the initial Order of Protection and told him how Nicholas had violated both restraining orders not once, but THREE times. The judge's secretary was abysmal on the phone, refusing to allow me to speak with the judge, offered NO help and forced me to write a letter of complaint to the Administrative Judge in the area.

Merely moving away did not bring significant relief to me emotionally or physically, so I also contacted quite a number of organizations that deal with gay rights, domestic abuse, Hate Crimes, etc. I also wrote to newspapers, magazines, contacted Congress and the Senate as well as the Attorney General. Heck, I even contacted Katie Couric. But it seemed that since the Supreme Court, in it's infinite wisdom had seen fit to rule that Restraining Orders do not HAVE to be enforced that we really had little choice other than accept what had happened and just be glad that we were now out of an untenable situation. Our only other option would be to sue Brian and Deborah Weisz in a civil suit, which we continue to evaluate.

But is there anyone out there who can believe that this man would call us in another country, more than a year after the fact and ask us to HELP his "familiy"? Well, all I can think of is that the followers of Charles Manson were called "the family" and in my opinion, Brian Weisz is well-suited to be in the same category.

So, now he has dredged up all of the past for us, forcing us once again to relive the nightmare that forced us from our beautiful home and to leave the country. I can only wish him countless nights of no sleep, misery and suffering due to his inability to deal with his son's emotional problems, not to mention criminal actions. I hope the fact that they BOTH have a record will cause them much unrest. That is the true justice.

The only way we would even entertain the idea of lifting a finger to do anything other than to offer help to others who seem to now be suffering from the actions of this little waste of humanity, by contacting the authorities on their behalf in order to further prosecute this little "Satan's Seed" would be if Brian Weisz were to offer an apology and also issue a settlement in the form of a certifed bank check in the amount of $50K.

So, it seems as though fate has finally caught us with the Weisz's. Maybe now they will start to act like prudent and responsible parents and get the help that their emotionallly disturbed child so desparately needs. We both feel that the Weisz's should be prosecuted for not providing the adequate supervision or care that rational people would endeaver to provide. Little did he know it, but Brian actually MADE OUR DAY by calling us from his cell phone and asking for our "help." Surely, that must have all but killed him to have to do.

REAP WHAT YOU SOW.

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And the follow-up: http://newyorklawschool.typepad.com/leonardlink/2008/07/florida-appeal.html

2-10) We really didn't need further reasons to leave, I believe this was quite enough!

As for the blog entries, they can be found at: http://greatcyber.spaces.live.com
 

sunwaiter

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John Watt, thank you for your quite autobiographical text.
You always have more words than us! ;) is there any left in you wordbag?

Thank you greatcyber. it's a little depressing, but weather rain AND sunshine, black and white. we all have to fight sometimes and even suffer to get our part of good grey.
 

Contratrombone64

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A funny letter I read on the topic ... not to be taken too seriously, though it's deeper meaning is quite insightful.

Dear Brother/Sister in God (delete which you don't need),

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.
 

sunwaiter

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ahahah thank you so very much brother Contratrombone64 now you got my full respect!!!

i especially like the one about safe football!

the funniest thing is that people will find something to argue with that!
 
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