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Using "MyOrgan"
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greatcyber
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So far I have only tried to use MyOrgan with a midi keyboard. I do have a few notation programs like Sebelius and Noteworthy Composer and I also have Sonar Home Studio, Producer, Sony Acid Pro, Cubase and some others, but have not really learned how to use them yet. I decided to get a bunch of programs downloaded onto my computer and try them all out and see which ones I prefer and then just get rid of the ones I don't like.
On the few attempts I have made at using VST plug-ins in Sonar, such as Miraslav Philharmonik or one of the Native Instruments programmes, I can only get so far. But then, of late, my head has been going in so many directions at once, mostly due to the stress of moving out of the country and hoping to be accepted by the government and then with illnesses both at home and with family and friends. Things happily are starting to settle down now and I will attempt to retreat to my studio and really try to apply myself. My hope is to not only use organ and piano sounds, but orchestrations as well, hence the Miroslav Philharmonic. I also have the Garritan Personal Orchestra, Strativari and Philharmonic Strings, Synthology Ivory, Symphonic Choirs and Liquid Instruments with many of the refill packs. Some of these are huge programmes, such as Symphonic Choirs which takes up 35 Gigs of space alone...and that is only one programme. I just upgraded last week to an external hard drive that is a terrabye in addition to my 200 Gig internal HD.
I'm confident that one of these days frustration will give way to eventual hours of enjoyment at the "play station."
On the few attempts I have made at using VST plug-ins in Sonar, such as Miraslav Philharmonik or one of the Native Instruments programmes, I can only get so far. But then, of late, my head has been going in so many directions at once, mostly due to the stress of moving out of the country and hoping to be accepted by the government and then with illnesses both at home and with family and friends. Things happily are starting to settle down now and I will attempt to retreat to my studio and really try to apply myself. My hope is to not only use organ and piano sounds, but orchestrations as well, hence the Miroslav Philharmonic. I also have the Garritan Personal Orchestra, Strativari and Philharmonic Strings, Synthology Ivory, Symphonic Choirs and Liquid Instruments with many of the refill packs. Some of these are huge programmes, such as Symphonic Choirs which takes up 35 Gigs of space alone...and that is only one programme. I just upgraded last week to an external hard drive that is a terrabye in addition to my 200 Gig internal HD.
I'm confident that one of these days frustration will give way to eventual hours of enjoyment at the "play station."
Analogicus
Member
It is true of MyOrgan: continuous controller for swells.
daveycrockett
New member
Methodistgirl,
Just enter a search term for "virtual pipe organ" in your browser (outside this forum) and what will come up is a list of some available. I am trying to locate as many as possible, and so far I have found several, but the one I think I might recommend is the Miditzer (a Wurlitzer Theatre Pipe Organ simulation). You can connect electronic keyboards to it which will make it seem more organ-like, although you need to have the mouse and the monitor close so that you can change the stops. Another they mentioned here is above: the one they refer to as "kloria". I can't wait to test the models I find.
Just enter a search term for "virtual pipe organ" in your browser (outside this forum) and what will come up is a list of some available. I am trying to locate as many as possible, and so far I have found several, but the one I think I might recommend is the Miditzer (a Wurlitzer Theatre Pipe Organ simulation). You can connect electronic keyboards to it which will make it seem more organ-like, although you need to have the mouse and the monitor close so that you can change the stops. Another they mentioned here is above: the one they refer to as "kloria". I can't wait to test the models I find.
ggoode.sa
New member
Hi,
There are a number of Organ sample sets that used to be available in HW1 format that are now only available in HW3. Is it possible to use the ODF creation tool to make these for HW1 again? I'm thinking here of the St Stephens Penrith Australia organ that now seems to be only available as a HW3 download...
Thanks,
Graham
There are a number of Organ sample sets that used to be available in HW1 format that are now only available in HW3. Is it possible to use the ODF creation tool to make these for HW1 again? I'm thinking here of the St Stephens Penrith Australia organ that now seems to be only available as a HW3 download...
Thanks,
Graham
musicalis
Member
I think it is possible to re-write any ODF for hauptwerk-1, but I am not sure that you will be able to use the relative sample sets. If the samples for HWK3 are not encrypted (I dont know if they are), you will have to convet them from 24 bits to 16 bits. this is possible with WAVOSAUR Freeware.
the ODF tool I have released makes ODF for MyOrgan. They are compatible with HWK1, bt is is possible hat you have to change the way the pipes are nammed.
ToDay I have released a new version, but some bugs remain. it is really a very hard programming proof as programming is not my job but only my Hobby.
http://organ.monespace.net/My_Organ_Builder/My%20Organ%20Builder.zip
the ODF tool I have released makes ODF for MyOrgan. They are compatible with HWK1, bt is is possible hat you have to change the way the pipes are nammed.
ToDay I have released a new version, but some bugs remain. it is really a very hard programming proof as programming is not my job but only my Hobby.
http://organ.monespace.net/My_Organ_Builder/My%20Organ%20Builder.zip
musicalis
Member
Hi Judy
i don't know what are walmart or
Kmart. May be they are shops.
The software MyOrgan to emulate pipe organs is free; You have to download it on the web. Search at http://www.kloria.com/software/musical/myorgan
i don't know what are walmart or
Kmart. May be they are shops.
The software MyOrgan to emulate pipe organs is free; You have to download it on the web. Search at http://www.kloria.com/software/musical/myorgan
ggoode.sa
New member
Hi Judy,
Once you have downloaded the MyOrgan program, you need to download some samples. A good sampleset to start with is Gernot's Happy Birthday Organ http://www.prospectum.com/en/organs/hb/hb.htm. Another good one is the Jeux D'orgues from Joseph Basquin at http://www.jeuxdorgues.com/en/romans.php. Also worth trying is Mark Beverley's Prudhoe Methodist Church Organ at http://www.rkbev.com/prudhoemethodist.html. Hope this helps as well
Graham
Once you have downloaded the MyOrgan program, you need to download some samples. A good sampleset to start with is Gernot's Happy Birthday Organ http://www.prospectum.com/en/organs/hb/hb.htm. Another good one is the Jeux D'orgues from Joseph Basquin at http://www.jeuxdorgues.com/en/romans.php. Also worth trying is Mark Beverley's Prudhoe Methodist Church Organ at http://www.rkbev.com/prudhoemethodist.html. Hope this helps as well
Graham
M. Satterbloom
New member
Delayed Note Sounding
I am a new member and have recently downloaded MyOrgan. Though the program is perfectly functional, there is one problem that I have been experiencing.
I then downloaded the small Italian harpsichord sound bank from duphly.free.fr and am quite satisfied with its realistic sound. I also downloaded the "Happy Birthday Organ" mentioned earlier. I play on a simple Yamaha YPT-300 keyboard and use a new (less than a year old) HP Pavilion laptop with a large memory. To actually play the harpsichord and organ, I ordered a Yamaha UX16 MIDI USB interface cable. The cable would not install on my OS (Windows Vista) using the installation disk provided, so I downloaded the correct software from the Yamaha website.
I got the whole system up and running and it plays in an unsatisfactory manner. The sounding of a note is slightly delayed after pressing a key, and though this delay is only a fraction of a second, it makes it quite difficult to maintain proper articulation and to keep timing accurate on faster passages.
Another problem that I have been experiencing is that every 30 seconds to a minute, the usually clear sound of the harpsichord or organ becomes very scratchy for a few seconds, then reverts back to normal. This infrequent but recurring scratching coupled with the delay produced a frustrating experience, hardly one that I strongly enjoy.
If anyone out there has had a similar experience, please let me know, especially if you have fixed it. I believe that the problems are the responsibility of the MIDI USB cable, but I am not sure and wish to know before I decide to get a new one. If anybody know how to fix these problems, please tell.
I am a new member and have recently downloaded MyOrgan. Though the program is perfectly functional, there is one problem that I have been experiencing.
I then downloaded the small Italian harpsichord sound bank from duphly.free.fr and am quite satisfied with its realistic sound. I also downloaded the "Happy Birthday Organ" mentioned earlier. I play on a simple Yamaha YPT-300 keyboard and use a new (less than a year old) HP Pavilion laptop with a large memory. To actually play the harpsichord and organ, I ordered a Yamaha UX16 MIDI USB interface cable. The cable would not install on my OS (Windows Vista) using the installation disk provided, so I downloaded the correct software from the Yamaha website.
I got the whole system up and running and it plays in an unsatisfactory manner. The sounding of a note is slightly delayed after pressing a key, and though this delay is only a fraction of a second, it makes it quite difficult to maintain proper articulation and to keep timing accurate on faster passages.
Another problem that I have been experiencing is that every 30 seconds to a minute, the usually clear sound of the harpsichord or organ becomes very scratchy for a few seconds, then reverts back to normal. This infrequent but recurring scratching coupled with the delay produced a frustrating experience, hardly one that I strongly enjoy.
If anyone out there has had a similar experience, please let me know, especially if you have fixed it. I believe that the problems are the responsibility of the MIDI USB cable, but I am not sure and wish to know before I decide to get a new one. If anybody know how to fix these problems, please tell.
greatcyber
New member
You may find that downloading and using Asio4All driver will help with your latency and sound problems. You can find it here: http://www.computeractive.co.uk/computeractive/downloads/2208769/asio4all
Let us know if this helps or not.
Let us know if this helps or not.
jhnbrbr
New member
I can second that - I'm also using HP computer (Pavilion Slimline desktop) with Vista and installing the Asio driver made a really big improvement to the latency problem. It was also my experience that some MIDI/USB adaptors work better than others - I'm now using M-Audio controller keyboards which connect directly to computer's USB port and don't require adaptor, nor a separate power supply.
M. Satterbloom
New member
I have installed the Asio4All driver and have found the result to be nearly the same as what I first experienced. Though the scratchiness has been reduced (not eliminated), the delay is still present. Could it be that I need to adjust the settings on the Asio driver? Thank you for the help. I hope very much that this problem will be solved soon.
greatcyber
New member
Yes, you may want to make some adjustments in the control panel of asio4all. Increase the buffer and see if that makes any difference for you. You can change the control panel from "simple" to "advanced" and do your tweaks there. If you go to their website, you will find the software explained a little better. Read through the info on the site and post back if you still are having problems.
You are going to have some sort of latency, depending upon your operating system's resources (memory, etc.)
Will wait for a response.
Dorsetmike
Member
Having read through this thread a few times, I decided to see what everybody is talking about, so downloaded Myorgan, Finale Notepad, some sample files Midiyoke and ASIO4All.
I have no keyboard so was hoping to play scores from Finale notepad via midiyoke to Myorgan. Well it works up to a point but the sound sounds as though it is being chopped at intervals of a second or so. I have upped the buffers on ASIO to maximum, tried with and without ASIO. fiddled with the polyphonic value and a few other things, no joy so far!!
With only one Midiyoke port available in Notepad I don't seem to be able to get the 2 manuals and the pedals to operate on the relevant staff of the score, only one manual follows the incoming sognal, is there any way of splitting the Notepad output into separate channels?
I also found that Finale Notepad is not quite as clever as it might be, I was trying to copy/paste from a 2 stave harpsichord .mus file to a 3 stave organ sheet, the piece is in A minor, so I select A minor on the blank organ sheet, copy/paste and all the notes get shifted up, what had been A ending up at F!!, I had to go back and select C major to get the notes where they should have been; still trying to figure that one out. The piece I'm playing with is the Rameau Gavotte I posted a link to last week in another thread.
I am impressed with the software so far and it is fun, but the learning curve is so steep I keep falling off.
Think I'd best go to bed and sleep on it while you good folk out there have a good laugh at my efforts but hopefully come up with some suggestions.
I have no keyboard so was hoping to play scores from Finale notepad via midiyoke to Myorgan. Well it works up to a point but the sound sounds as though it is being chopped at intervals of a second or so. I have upped the buffers on ASIO to maximum, tried with and without ASIO. fiddled with the polyphonic value and a few other things, no joy so far!!
With only one Midiyoke port available in Notepad I don't seem to be able to get the 2 manuals and the pedals to operate on the relevant staff of the score, only one manual follows the incoming sognal, is there any way of splitting the Notepad output into separate channels?
I also found that Finale Notepad is not quite as clever as it might be, I was trying to copy/paste from a 2 stave harpsichord .mus file to a 3 stave organ sheet, the piece is in A minor, so I select A minor on the blank organ sheet, copy/paste and all the notes get shifted up, what had been A ending up at F!!, I had to go back and select C major to get the notes where they should have been; still trying to figure that one out. The piece I'm playing with is the Rameau Gavotte I posted a link to last week in another thread.
I am impressed with the software so far and it is fun, but the learning curve is so steep I keep falling off
.Think I'd best go to bed and sleep on it while you good folk out there have a good laugh at my efforts but hopefully come up with some suggestions.
ggoode.sa
New member
Hi Mike,
The first flight of virtual pipe organ setups are often a little bumpy! Well done for getting so far so quickly
Now to some questions/suggestions...
Have you tried increasing the 'Estimated Latency' setting in the MyOrgan Audio Settings tab?
In ASIO4ALL, are you using the Hardware Buffer (which works best at lower ASIO Buffer Size) - available in the Advanced options view?
Have you tried increasing the Kernel Buffers?
And to help us help you...
What soundcard do you have?
Which sample set have you downloaded to use?
Hope you come right with the audio stutter soon.
GrahamG
The first flight of virtual pipe organ setups are often a little bumpy! Well done for getting so far so quickly
Now to some questions/suggestions...
Have you tried increasing the 'Estimated Latency' setting in the MyOrgan Audio Settings tab?
In ASIO4ALL, are you using the Hardware Buffer (which works best at lower ASIO Buffer Size) - available in the Advanced options view?
Have you tried increasing the Kernel Buffers?
And to help us help you...
What soundcard do you have?
Which sample set have you downloaded to use?
Hope you come right with the audio stutter soon.
GrahamG
Dorsetmike
Member
"Stutter" cured, had to put latency up to 25ms in Myorgan.
Sample set Jeux d' Orgues.
Soundcard is onboard, SigmaTel, seems to work better with that selected than the ASIO4ALL
So far unable to get any signs of life from the pedals even with the buttons GO/PD, POS/PD and POS/GO selected, nor any combinations thereof.
Also at the moment I can't yet see a way to convert the single Notepad output into separated Midi inputs for Myorgan, I can see lots of research ahead, still it keeps me off the streets!!
Sample set Jeux d' Orgues.
Soundcard is onboard, SigmaTel, seems to work better with that selected than the ASIO4ALL
So far unable to get any signs of life from the pedals even with the buttons GO/PD, POS/PD and POS/GO selected, nor any combinations thereof.
Also at the moment I can't yet see a way to convert the single Notepad output into separated Midi inputs for Myorgan, I can see lots of research ahead, still it keeps me off the streets!!
ggoode.sa
New member
Hi Mike,
What MIDI channels have you configured for Manual 1 (Pedal), Manual 2 (Great), and Manual 3 (Swell) in the MyOrgan MIDI Message tab of the Audio setup? These are the MIDI Channels that Finale Notepad needs to send messages to... I don't use Finale Notepad but hopefully that's enough info to point you in the right direction.
GrahamG
What MIDI channels have you configured for Manual 1 (Pedal), Manual 2 (Great), and Manual 3 (Swell) in the MyOrgan MIDI Message tab of the Audio setup? These are the MIDI Channels that Finale Notepad needs to send messages to... I don't use Finale Notepad but hopefully that's enough info to point you in the right direction.
GrahamG