Ghekorg7 (Ret)
Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Greetings to all !
Let's say that we have to practice at home a work for Pipe Organ and orchestra or some church sonatas for positiv and strings or practice our part on basso continuo inside a chamber orchestra and want to hear the resoults and fix mistakes or adjust our way of performing the piece.
Or just have fun playin' music that we can't do it at home.
How can we do that ?
VSTi option of Hauptwerk gives us the solution.
I experimented for a month now, trying different combinations and here is what I'm proposing and open a general discuss on the matter.
1. First we need a VST host to "put" Hauptwerk in. There are many around, very best to acceptable, in all OS and taste. I concluded to Reaper in 64bit for windows 7 - can have both Midi & audio recording, is not expencive and has allmost everything -.
64bit OS is a thing to consider cause Hauptwerk sets need much memory to operate ok (usualy close to or above 4MB goin' to 8 and 13 MB !).
Opening Hauptwerk inside a host it's easy, just like the standalone version, considering that the host rules on audio/midi set-up, BPM and other things.
Hauptwerk is so flexible that can be ok in a row of dificult situations.
Of course everything works on 32bit OS, but with smaller sets.
2. Next we need a VSTi orchestra, a good one with high quality sound to match Hauptwewrk's and the end result to be like the real thing. I used three of them: EWQL free(with personal registration and licence)symphonic Orchestra, Miroslav Vitus Philharmonic and cinematic strings (for Kontakt4). There also work, DSK strings, brass and Symphonia VSTi s, dut with lower sound quality.
3. Next a good VST convolution reverb, to put everything in the same place with the same acoustics and this is important. So we can use the option in Hauptwerk to cut the original release samples and have a dry set. Then we set off the reverb on Orchestras to dry them out also.
I'm not contiuing with other VSTs (EQs, compressors ect) cause this is up to more studio work , than to my intention on this thread.
Caution : some Hauptwerk sets work on 48.000 hz, while others on 44.100 and the program do not open if we don't set everything at the same rate : Host/Hauptwerk/Orchestra/Reverb .
Now we load our favorite Hauptwerk set and have two options for the orchestra part. Either we record ourselfs the parts or we invite our friend to play/rec the orchestra. After practice we can record everything with the host and hear what we accomplished.
I had a great time playing Vivaldi's Concerto in Am ! First recorded the strings and then loaded Hauptwerk with the terrific Mietke Harpsichord and enjoyed music! (care must be taken to temeraments)
Imagine how will sound Saint-Saens Organ Symphony......and how better prepared an organist can be before the rehearse with the real thing starts !
I did another thing with VSTi version of Hauptwerk.
I just wanted a custom organ combining St.Carlo's one man/ped as great and Oosterwijwerd's one man/ped as positiv ( Both work at 48.000Hz).
How to do that ?
The first solution is to write to Milan and ask for a custom licence for a new ODF and ask permition from the sample sets producers and a lot of work makin' this custom ODF.
I went elsewere with what I had in hand. I did a copy of Hauptwerk x64.dll and opened two Hauptwerks inside Reaper !
I then cut the release samples from both and changed the Oosterwijwerds great manual to swell. Both pedal stops used for the new pedal section. I send both signals to York Minster (convolution reverb) and I'm happy with my new VPO !:grin:
I confess I didn't stop here. I wanted a..... four manual/ped..!!
Imagine what happened....:crazy:
So, I said what I wanted to say and start this thread and I wish that in the future we can have a VSTi version of GrandOrgue to play with!!!
Best regards
Panos
Let's say that we have to practice at home a work for Pipe Organ and orchestra or some church sonatas for positiv and strings or practice our part on basso continuo inside a chamber orchestra and want to hear the resoults and fix mistakes or adjust our way of performing the piece.
Or just have fun playin' music that we can't do it at home.
How can we do that ?
VSTi option of Hauptwerk gives us the solution.
I experimented for a month now, trying different combinations and here is what I'm proposing and open a general discuss on the matter.
1. First we need a VST host to "put" Hauptwerk in. There are many around, very best to acceptable, in all OS and taste. I concluded to Reaper in 64bit for windows 7 - can have both Midi & audio recording, is not expencive and has allmost everything -.
64bit OS is a thing to consider cause Hauptwerk sets need much memory to operate ok (usualy close to or above 4MB goin' to 8 and 13 MB !).
Opening Hauptwerk inside a host it's easy, just like the standalone version, considering that the host rules on audio/midi set-up, BPM and other things.
Hauptwerk is so flexible that can be ok in a row of dificult situations.
Of course everything works on 32bit OS, but with smaller sets.
2. Next we need a VSTi orchestra, a good one with high quality sound to match Hauptwewrk's and the end result to be like the real thing. I used three of them: EWQL free(with personal registration and licence)symphonic Orchestra, Miroslav Vitus Philharmonic and cinematic strings (for Kontakt4). There also work, DSK strings, brass and Symphonia VSTi s, dut with lower sound quality.
3. Next a good VST convolution reverb, to put everything in the same place with the same acoustics and this is important. So we can use the option in Hauptwerk to cut the original release samples and have a dry set. Then we set off the reverb on Orchestras to dry them out also.
I'm not contiuing with other VSTs (EQs, compressors ect) cause this is up to more studio work , than to my intention on this thread.
Caution : some Hauptwerk sets work on 48.000 hz, while others on 44.100 and the program do not open if we don't set everything at the same rate : Host/Hauptwerk/Orchestra/Reverb .
Now we load our favorite Hauptwerk set and have two options for the orchestra part. Either we record ourselfs the parts or we invite our friend to play/rec the orchestra. After practice we can record everything with the host and hear what we accomplished.
I had a great time playing Vivaldi's Concerto in Am ! First recorded the strings and then loaded Hauptwerk with the terrific Mietke Harpsichord and enjoyed music! (care must be taken to temeraments)
Imagine how will sound Saint-Saens Organ Symphony......and how better prepared an organist can be before the rehearse with the real thing starts !
I did another thing with VSTi version of Hauptwerk.
I just wanted a custom organ combining St.Carlo's one man/ped as great and Oosterwijwerd's one man/ped as positiv ( Both work at 48.000Hz).
How to do that ?
The first solution is to write to Milan and ask for a custom licence for a new ODF and ask permition from the sample sets producers and a lot of work makin' this custom ODF.
I went elsewere with what I had in hand. I did a copy of Hauptwerk x64.dll and opened two Hauptwerks inside Reaper !
I then cut the release samples from both and changed the Oosterwijwerds great manual to swell. Both pedal stops used for the new pedal section. I send both signals to York Minster (convolution reverb) and I'm happy with my new VPO !:grin:
I confess I didn't stop here. I wanted a..... four manual/ped..!!
Imagine what happened....:crazy:
So, I said what I wanted to say and start this thread and I wish that in the future we can have a VSTi version of GrandOrgue to play with!!!
Best regards
Panos