though I will put a strong question to the fact that Iraq had WMD (except from the ones that was granted to them by US in the first place)... we can both agree that Saddam wasn't mister Nice Guy.
Personally I am not against war if the war is rightous.. but the american invasion of Iraq was outright stupid. Let me explain...
Due to american-israelian alliance as well as US oil interests in the Middle East, the relationship between middle east and US is not only a little tense but very much indeed.
With a republican government as spearhead in America.. and you know how much religion matter in the US.. see for an example the current election where Bush got re-elected merely on stating his love to God. ( I could go on with a whole other discussion on the paradox this present and state that the guy is far more Antichrist than representing God.. but that must be another discussion).
Anyway... US is religious.. they walk in on islamic soil.. this is bad. The war becomes twisted into being economic/religious interests confronting religion. This is dangerous.
Take a look at the Palestinian-Israelian conflict.. religious conflicts just don't settle.. they spread.. filling hearts all over the globe with spite.
I know UN is working slow sometimes.. it is.
But US going around the UN.. then they are to blame for each of their own soldiers who die. There's way to much to raise question about in this invasion. It is not without reason that some of the camps are named after oil companies.. come on.. Camp Halliburton.. give me a [censored] break here, and don't whine about liberation.
Taking over Iraq was pretty easy. But.. the US haven't really thought it through.. or else they didn't really care.. Oil is far more worth than lifes. Even before the invasion Paul Bremer said that as long as there was US presence in Iraq, there would be critical elements. Basically I don't even think that your own administration believed in it.. according Brzezinski.. invasion of Iraq would be a statement towards Syria and Iran.
But how much does this statement work, when everything is going bad?
Doesn't it only further destabilization of the world?
I have several friends that was in Iraq with AMF (armed mobile forces). Between british and danish soldiers the US soldiers were a joke. Their fire power being effective enough.. no doubt there.. but platoon after platoon of trigger happy psychos. Their whole war discipline working like I love this forum. How do you explain to people that you are there to liberate them, when things actually get worse after you enter.
Conclusions.. yes... there's reasons to wipe out Saddam.. but do it in a proper way. Don't be nationalistic towards the values of larger corporations. That is just plain stupid. They care about profit.. not about liberation of anybody, not of your values or anybody elses.. just profit. Can you be any means explain to me why Shell, Exxon, Halliburton etc.. should really care about you?
Two more thing.. before you stand in line to hail to the chimp. First: consider 2 words... propaganda and indoctrination... if they want you to do something, they will make you believe it is the right thing. Second... while you recommend me this movie, and I will try to see if I can find it.. then I will recommend you to watch an old nazi propaganda video by Lena Riefenstahl called Triumph des Willes. See all the soldiers lined up in front of the Führer.. proud.. see the smiles on their faces. Think of that before you stand in line
About Arafat. I have some israelian friends I'd been discussing this with a lot. If you want to do something about the israelian-palistinian conflict.. you have to remove both Yassir Arafat and Ariel Sharon. They don't contribute with anything except hatred. They know nothing else than war.
What I wrote to you earlier was not a defending of Arafat.. it was just the fact that I proclaimed that your way of debating was low..
Remember that Ariel Sharon is not a nice guy.. he actually got thrown out of the israelian military for being to radical in his measures.. don't ask me how the guy made it as president. Remember a thing like the 7 days conflict.. bloody [censored] mess where Sharon was in charge of hiring mercenaries to go rampage in palestinian prison camps, so Israel themselves wouldn't get dirty hands...