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Priest

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you tried what? Convincing me of your freaky ideals served to you by the government.. So I don't say.. whooops. Lets just change my fundament of how we view the whole world just because some guy shows me some pictures of palestinians with weapons in their hands and one of them is carrying a pic by Arafat...

Oil prices are high because the world is in a state of war. Because the OPEC countries is gaining from taking control of the oil prices..

The inflation of the oil prices actually started pretty much about 5 years ago. One of the main reasons is the rise of economy in asian countries. This evokes a higher demand of the dear black fluid.



If you think I am a freaky liberal... explaing some things to me rather than go state I am a dumbass..
 

PhotoFixer3

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Also.. we, and here I'm talking about the whole west.. both US and EU.. we are benifitting from keeping other countries economies down.. in search for finding cheaper manufacturers. Each day thousands of people are killed, so we can get cheap shoes from Nike, crap gadgets made in China etc..
How do you like the American Processor(CPU) Inside your computer? Maybe you should tell the people of Dresden, Germany that work at AMD's FAB 30 that your sorry?
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corno

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why should we like the fact that anyone should applaud a murder, violent or not?
whose contrymen are you referring to?
Theo van Gogh, mentioned in the article, was Dutch, not Danish!
Did you read the entire article?
 

PhotoFixer3

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Also.. we, and here I'm talking about the whole west.. both US and EU.. we are benifitting from keeping other countries economies down.. in search for finding cheaper manufacturers. Each day thousands of people are killed, so we can get cheap shoes from Nike, crap gadgets made in China etc..
Again in the words of "Priest" he has compared Europe to the United States, like it or not Theo van Gogh, is your blood. I was born in Indiana and now live in Minnesota, that would be like me saying the people who were murdered in New York were not my countrymen... The blessing of Theo van Gogh's death by these barbarians is deadful and the people of Denmark should take heed. See that they now face a new enemy, Hitler in a head scarf, and that they should confront it at all odds.
 

Priest

Commodore of Impending Doom II
okay... listen up. There is more than 400 million people in Europe.

I don't know where you are heading at. It is like.. you don't really understand what I am saying to you. The quote you use from me.. doesn't really have anything to do with your statement.

I don't agree on you the slightest. Simply can't.. you're too much a rascist, for me to waste my time arguing with.

The relationship between the west and islam is a problem.. and the situation is only made worse by types like you. Every race, every culture presents a high percentage of morons, and a few really good and intelligent people. The latter being able to respect people, also of different culture than their own..
 

PhotoFixer3

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Times Online Interesting read..
Interesting article for ya Priest... I'm a racist? Wait, wait, wait... did I hear that correctly? Let me see... I grew up in Gary, Indiana. Went to an All African-American high school, if you don't know Gary, Indiana is a rough neighborhood... IF I was a racist I would NOT be alive today... I'm the one on the side of liberating Arabs, your the one that believes Arabs are to stupid to govern themselves.
 

PhotoFixer3

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I don't agree on you the slightest. Simply can't.. you're too much a rascist, for me to waste my time arguing with.

ummm, maybe you should look up the word "racist" in the dictionary, Islam is NOT a race... It is a religion, NOT unique to one race, if you notice I pointed out Bali and Beslan, Russia. Those were NOT Arabs, but they were muslims.
 

Priest

Commodore of Impending Doom II
I don't like any religions, but religion is a personal thing.. I respect that people have their own religion as long as they let us others be as they are.

I see no reason, on why to wage war on another culture.. maybe it is not a question about race.. doesn't matter.. it is still a divide between different cultures, and it is ultra-nationalistic right-wing freaks on both side that make the whole Shoot boil.. each in themselves believing that they are the ones that are vessels of the truth..
 

PhotoFixer3

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I agree with you 100% up to a point, when you talk about... How people should let people be as they are... I agree with that statement 100%! What are your feelings of the Arab Muslims in the Sudan murdering Black Christians by the 1000's? They are being slaughtered simply because they are Christians! Does the UN stop it? NO! What are your feelings of the Muslims attacking the Christian School in Beslan, Russia? Again simply because they are Christians, were they allowed to be as they were... Priest I think your a good man, I just wish that you could actually see all the things are going on, you can't hide your head in the sand and hope that this will just go away like some fairy tale. Leadership is what is needed now, Europe needs a Winston Churchill, Tony Blair will do but I fear, Europe will have to face a tradgety worse than what they did in Spain for them to realize that they are at war. I pray that day does not come, but if it does... I hope the Europeans can answer the call...
 

Priest

Commodore of Impending Doom II
A little tale about short term sollutions versus stable long term solutions.

One thing both of us can agree on, is that our current world situation is [censored].. not many people would place their doubts on this fact, and optimistic views becomes a more and more seldom thing.

During the spring of this year, me and a a guy I know, had contact with a person from the island Mindanao, in the Philipines.

His name is Pedro Luis Cinco, and is in many way quite an extra ordinary good hearted person, that presents to me an ironical contrast to the solutions i see beeing made elsewhere in the world. Let me explain.

In the Philipines, Luson is the main island, with Metro Manilla as its main capital. The government is centralized... hence to say.. all decisions are taken in Manilla, the money, goods etc... is produced in the vast amount of islands around it. The next largest island is Mindanao. Mindano is producing 60% of all goods in the Philipines, but get back very little. Mindanao is very poor, and its infrastructure, healthcare etc.. is very very bad.

So.. Mindanao has wanted to be free for a very long time, and this of course has caused military crashes.

The main rebel militant group in mindanao is NPA (New Peoples Army), a communist division containing about 20.000 soldiers. Around NPA is a long range of more obscure movements.. and one of them called Alex Boncaya Brigade.. sort of a communist/terrorist movement, was the one where our contact Pedro Luis Cinco was part of. Until 20-25 years ago he was fighting suppression in the country by means that is [censored] up.. assasinations, bombings..etc...

One day he came in touch with a woman named Annie Enriqeuz Geron, head of organisation PSlink. PSlink is made with danish sociodemocratic system as role model. PSlink organises workers to stand up for their rights.. usually health care workers. Organising in a pseudo-tyrannny is a good thing if people wants their voice to be heard in contrast to their corrupt politicians.

Anyway.. Annie talked with Pedro. She made him realize that you wouldn't make it anywhere by bombing or killing... solutions for peace was long term. Bombing is basically a form of solution that can be compared with trying to get rich by selling drugs on the streets.. something comes out of it.. fast money, but loads of trouble.

Pedro came to realize that his measures was wrong. Now, and during the last 20 - 25 years, he is doing his part to further stabilisation of the Philipines. Organising workers, educating them. Learning people to read. Improve health care. Start initiatives to further the infrastructure, as well as being part of the peace talks between militant groups, and the government.


My point is, and I was quite interested in this guy because he presented a contrast to the solutions I see the US, Britain and Russia make.

Because of media whoring prime-time electionships of presidents and ministers no solution is made long term.

Only short solutions that make people to see short term results. The weapon manufactorers, media industry etc., have no interest in longer solutions. They think of what gives them money in the current situation, and this is one of the reason why I posted the movie in the first place, because of my opposition to the so called "corporatism".

At least. Try to give it a thought. We will propably never agree on this matter, but look at the current world situation. It is very fragile.. the last parts of stability we have left is not holding very well together. We are on the edge of a religious war, that can rage for decades. I don't want to see a war like that.. but after watching the polarisation of people around their flags, religions, or whatever.. listening to the stupid people on each side, speaking up, but only speaking of hatred, I see a world that is step by step walking down the path to the 3rd world war, that in many ways seems quite inevitable.

Each bomb that falls.. doesn't really looks like freedom does it? Total annihilation for democracy?

and a question for you: how can you actually know that your kind of democracy actually is the best? Democracy comes in many forms.. we have one kind in Europe, another in US.. all our lifes we get told that our way of governing is the best, but is it? Who are we to say that our way of thinking is better than anybody elses?
 

Priest

Commodore of Impending Doom II
to your last post.. (it wasn't showing before I posted this one, but there's some problems with updating..)

about Beslan. I hope my last post describes pretty much my opinion towards what should be done.

My point is.. problem is not one place. Things aren't black and white. We are just a big a part of the problem as they are. I wouldn't define myself as being a hippie or anything, but in these dark times, I think the only real thing to do is try to be as tolerant as possible, and try to spread tolerance. Not incide fear or hatred.

This is of course a very hard thing to do, and I actually don't believe in people being able to... and I pretty much believe that even if we don't like it.. war will come and it will be bad.

Back to Beslan. I think it was a shame what happened there. Another grotescue moment in our history.

Actually made this pic after the situation:
http://www.deviantart.com/view/10997160/

Well... as it is.. we shall not forget how russian actions are in Chechnya. There's a reason for people being pissed there.. I would just wish that people would leave kids out of it...
 

Lotus80

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hmm, my understanding of the Beslan incident is, that it wasn't so much about religion as it was about the ongoing war between Russia and Chechnya.. I don't think you can blame Islam on this one, photofix.
 

Priest

Commodore of Impending Doom II
hmm... the Russian/Chechnyan conflicts goes back a long way to the reign of Stalin when the counrty was annected by Sovjet, and the chechnyan people was deprived of all rights, and was deported to Kasakhstan and first had the possibility to head home in 1957. (Stalin was convinced that

There is more to this conflict than so..
also think as the fact that some of the Beslan terrorist was russian/ingusjetian, from the part of Russia called Nord Ossetia. This states of course that the conflict is extremist religous... Reason why this is stated was the presence of ingusjetic ex-president Rusland Ausjev, for negotiations with the terrorists.

Anyway.. there's a lot of different reasons for this war..

and to correct on you Lotus, there was actually a huge part of the militants that was from other arab countries(Afghanistan for an example who have never really been friens with Russia).. so the war was partly religious.. but again.. there's a lot of old hatred being ignited in this region as well as russian resource interests in the region..

Southern parts of chechnya is holding big resources of natural gas and oil..

recommendable link on background for the conflict. very neutral information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya
 

Priest

Commodore of Impending Doom II
there's a lot about this incident that is kept obscure... I think that both sides have too much dirt on their hands.. and there's a fear that it will set ablaze a large scale conflict in the region..

Problem is.. it is hard to obtain neutral information about this area, due to russian control with press.
 

Priest

Commodore of Impending Doom II
one more question for you PhotoFixer..

have you ever considered that your own government was aware of what happened 9.11, before it happened, but let it happen because it had possibilies.. hence the reason why I earlier recommended you to check out Brzezinski.

Can you honestly say to me, that you believe totally in your government, and that they are interested in the truth and doing the best for everyone?
 

PhotoFixer3

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and a question for you: how can you actually know that your kind of democracy actually is the best? Democracy comes in many forms.. we have one kind in Europe, another in US.. all our lifes we get told that our way of governing is the best, but is it? Who are we to say that our way of thinking is better than anybody elses?
There has never been a War between two democracys FREE people do NOT go to war with one another...
 

PhotoFixer3

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My point is.. problem is not one place. Things aren't black and white. We are just a big a part of the problem as they are.
You sound like the blame America first crowd here in America.
 

PhotoFixer3

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and to correct on you Lotus, there was actually a huge part of the militants that was from other arab countries(Afghanistan for an example who have never really been friens with Russia)
Priest, Afgans are NOT Arabs..
 
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