oliver
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New to the forum and was searching for any opinions but found none. Any comments, input from members would be greatly appreciated. (www.virtualorgan.com) Regards, oliver
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Dorsetmike
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Hi Oliver, welcome aboard. There are quite a few of us "playing" with GrandOrgue (see the thread under this topic) which leans toward classical organs rather than Theatre organs, however there is probably quite a bit of common ground.
oliver
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Thanks to Mike, wljmrbill and Dennis for all your replies. Have never played with pipe or theatre organs I do not have any specific question right now. Just thought that with so many knowlegeable members here, there might possibly be some comments or opinions. Recently got a new laptop so hopefully one of these weekends, I will find some time to try out Midtizer and Grandorgue. Best regards, oliver
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Hi Oliver,
I just copied (which adjusted your post count +1) the above quoted posting and placed it our Theatre Pipe Organ for more exposure. The MidiTzer has been mentioned in that particular thread :up:.
This topic might garner more interest there, hopefully.
Hi Oliver,
I just copied (which adjusted your post count +1) the above quoted posting and placed it our Theatre Pipe Organ for more exposure. The MidiTzer has been mentioned in that particular thread :up:.
This topic might garner more interest there, hopefully.
Dorsetmike
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Oliver, be warned, VPOs (virtual pipe organs) are very memory hungry due to the size of sample sets; for every rank of pipes there will be a sound sample in .wav format for every note; a sample set can be over 1Gb, it will depend on the number of pipes in a rank, typically 60, the number of ranks and the size of the individual files; I'm not sure of the reason for the latter, maybe duration of the loops, perhaps one of the experts can comment.
To sum up, 512Mb is not enough, except for maybe a very small organ, I get low memory warnings on a 1Gb PC when loading a set of 24 ranks, so far 2Gb is coping, until I get a bigger sample set!!
To sum up, 512Mb is not enough, except for maybe a very small organ, I get low memory warnings on a 1Gb PC when loading a set of 24 ranks, so far 2Gb is coping, until I get a bigger sample set!!
drwilx
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MidiTzer uses sound fonts and fluidsynth. This is a very efficient system and light on memory. jOrgan can also be used with sound fonts and fluidsynth. Latency can be a problem for some people, but with careful tweeking it can be reduced to where it is acceptable for most folks.
Dennis
Dennis
wljmrbill
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I downloaded the Mitizer 216 organ ( free editioin, did not use that much space either) and I had no problems at all. With the preset pistons I had a large variety of sounds already to go as well as being able to set my own stops, all the toys worked.. Great sounding chimes and percussion instruments. Was able to download the organ and all my virtual set up worked right away... SO now use it as well as my Hauptwerk. Thanks
ggoode.sa
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Hi Guys,
The MIditzer is a great beginning to virtual theatre organs on the computer. The soundfont is very small, which makes the program very easy to download and run. If you want a better sounding Miditzer there are a couple of other options out there. The first is to swap the synthesised soundfont with a sampled one, like John Tay's Wurlitzer samples (http://www.virtualorgan.com/Default.asp?Page=58). The second (requires more computer work) is to use Gigastudio or Linuxsampler to host even bigger/better sample based ranks (see http://prosites-allmanmusic.homestead.com/UniversalVTPOGig.html). These make the Miditzer even more wonderful to play
GrahamG
The MIditzer is a great beginning to virtual theatre organs on the computer. The soundfont is very small, which makes the program very easy to download and run. If you want a better sounding Miditzer there are a couple of other options out there. The first is to swap the synthesised soundfont with a sampled one, like John Tay's Wurlitzer samples (http://www.virtualorgan.com/Default.asp?Page=58). The second (requires more computer work) is to use Gigastudio or Linuxsampler to host even bigger/better sample based ranks (see http://prosites-allmanmusic.homestead.com/UniversalVTPOGig.html). These make the Miditzer even more wonderful to play
GrahamG
Ghekorg7 (Ret)
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Hi to all !
Try also the smaller Midiger 150 free download. It's a lovely organ.
One thing : Midiger don't use ASIO but fluidsynth on its output.
On both organs(216,150) I experienced enough latency on my first attemt to play them. It took me about an hour to "play" with buffer size ect in the fluidisynth parameters adjusting window.
Also the reverb & chorus settings need adjustment to get a great theater sound.
If you 're intrested ask me to post you here my optimum settings for both organs .
In any way thow you can't get zero latency, wicth is a shame for these two exelent organs.
Panos
Try also the smaller Midiger 150 free download. It's a lovely organ.
One thing : Midiger don't use ASIO but fluidsynth on its output.
On both organs(216,150) I experienced enough latency on my first attemt to play them. It took me about an hour to "play" with buffer size ect in the fluidisynth parameters adjusting window.
Also the reverb & chorus settings need adjustment to get a great theater sound.
If you 're intrested ask me to post you here my optimum settings for both organs .
In any way thow you can't get zero latency, wicth is a shame for these two exelent organs.
Panos
drwilx
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Actually you can get zero latency. By using certain Creative sound cards the fonts can be loaded into the card itself and played with no latency. When I first tried out MidiTzer that is the way I went. However, now I just use the fluidsynth setup and no longer let the latency (which is quite low btw) bother me.
Regards,
Dennis
Ghekorg7 (Ret)
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Hi Dennis ! and thanks for the tip ! I'll give it a try. Yes with the fluidsynth set latency goes down, but not zero, at least that's my fingers telling me. I mean if you play slow pieces ok, on rythmic staccato passages you can feel the delay right away..
Today I loaded 216 with the samples from the original Wurlizer as guided by Ggoode.sa (see above) and started glicthing all the time, so I returnd to fluidsynth bank..
Thanks again, Dennis
greetings from Athens late at night(after a hard Buxtehude practice!)
Panos
Today I loaded 216 with the samples from the original Wurlizer as guided by Ggoode.sa (see above) and started glicthing all the time, so I returnd to fluidsynth bank..
Thanks again, Dennis
greetings from Athens late at night(after a hard Buxtehude practice!)
Panos
greatcyber
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the Midizer forum has some great "How To" videos posted by Jim, the creator of Miditzer. He shows you how to use the set feature for memory, among other things. I can't tell you how much time I have spent reading and getting advice there. The Miditzer is so much fun. And I love listening to the Ron Reseigh concert. It plays for about 30 minutes. I listen to it whenever I need a pick-me-up.
greatcyber
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One thing to be forewarned about as I just encountered this after installing windows 7 64 bit OS...Miditzer doesn't seem to like the 64 OS and will give an error about the app not being able to set the audio driver.
I partitioned the hard drive and have XP 32 bit for my GigaStudio Orchestra (it doesn't play well with other drivers, such as internet) so I just installed Miditzer there. Windows 7 32 bit doesn't seem to have any negative effect however...it works fine on my laptop which is 7 32 bit. Just FYI.
I partitioned the hard drive and have XP 32 bit for my GigaStudio Orchestra (it doesn't play well with other drivers, such as internet) so I just installed Miditzer there. Windows 7 32 bit doesn't seem to have any negative effect however...it works fine on my laptop which is 7 32 bit. Just FYI.
Ghekorg7 (Ret)
Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Hi guys !
I got both my Midigers (150&216) workin' on both my win7 laptops 32bit and 64 one.
My problem with both on both is the latency (I'm not using an external sound card and I won't go to Creative....for...reasons )
If someone has some optimal settings for fluidsynth, please send a post !
Cheers
Panos
I got both my Midigers (150&216) workin' on both my win7 laptops 32bit and 64 one.
My problem with both on both is the latency (I'm not using an external sound card and I won't go to Creative....for...reasons
)If someone has some optimal settings for fluidsynth, please send a post !
Cheers
Panos
greatcyber
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But were you able to get the 216 and/or 260P working on 7 64 Panos? If so, that would be amazing! Some time ya just gotta hear that big ole Wurly
Ghekorg7 (Ret)
Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
But were you able to get the 216 and/or 260P working on 7 64 Panos? If so, that would be amazing! Some time ya just gotta hear that big ole Wurly
Hi Stephen !
Yeah, I installed 216 first without any kinda problem. I listened to the midi file and later I installed the smaller 150 (witch I like much). The only problem is the fluidsynth latency settings (also in my 32bit win7 laptop). Is strange 'cause as I work a lot with jOrgan, there, the fluidsynth works excellent ( I went down to 11/192 on some sets !).
I also got the samples from the real Wurlie downloaded from Midiger site and installed OK in 216(changing bank). I haven't try it in 150 , yet
Still, I insist on Paramount 310 on HW3 for some great Theater sound.
I believe Midiger guys have to do some more work on their instruments to catch up time. What about changing engine and get Midigers to work with ASIO4all driver ?
and workin' with Jack, so we can add better reverbs to the very good Midiger sound, like the great SIR2 Theater?How can't you get 216 workin' on your 64/win7 ?
Even without a kbd connected 216/150 can work with the laptop keyboard.I use to do it when I want an intermission from a hard law case workin':grin:
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Panos