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What is your favorite Hauptwerk Sample set?

ggoode.sa

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Hi Nicholas,
My initial answer is 'Favorite? I have to pick just one!?'

My all time favorite is the Stiehr Mockers 2 manual organ from Jeuxdorges.com (I have used this sample set for years, in Soundfont, MyOrgan/GrandOrgue, Gigastudio, and Hauptwerk formats). I am also very fond on the new Anloo organ from Prospectum and the older 3 Manual FBR Schantz organ created by Jonathan Orwig at Evensong Music.

I can't afford many of the sample sets that might sound better than these... so for me and my budget these are my favorites!
GrahamG
 

Dorsetmike

New member
As Graham says Stiehr Mockers is quite good, especially the extended version, I've just started playing around adding a few more stops.

I've listened to and drooled over the Salisbury Cathedral and Silberman sets, but being retired and on a pension they will have to wait for a lottery win.

I would very much like for somebody to do Wimborne Minster, an excellent 3 manual with some stops dating back to 1668, very English sound.
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Γειά σου Νικόλα και χρόνια πολλά ! (Hi Nicholas and best wishes -for Easter-)

You start a difficult - hard to die one here.

My favorite is any Silbermann Organ. Grosshartmannsdorf one of the best. I can't afford it (215euros!!!), so I try to enjoy it from time to time with 6sec stop sound feature !!!...

Next the 1699 Zlata Koruna...super sound(this to, as mini free super wet version with only 4 stops-8',4',21/2',2'- but I can play many of Pachelbell toccatas with full enjoyment)

As I full functional set I, like Graham also, use the Stiehr-Mockers in every incarnation,

The Brut-Leuchten witch is a very good organ, I use nowadays as my basic full two manual/pedal big organ in Hauptwerk's VSTi existence inside the Seib's VSTHost with convolution - impulse responce reverbs (I'll sent a new post here later on to how can one do this)

the Enigma wet(super), St.Stevens(lovely), St.Augustine's(good for chorale works with echo effects).

But there are two small (in real life also) organs that I use every day for practice , improvise and enjoyment : The small Prib positiv - its just superb - one can play with it all of Mozart's church sonatas, or Frescobaldi's & Praetorius works and
the fabulus Oosterwijwerd Muller with 49 keys manual and 13 note pedal and 8 stops, added the keys noise, blower motor and church clock... what can I say, it's a special gift to all of us who can't get to a real organ everyday.

I also use with much injoyment all of the harpsichords, clavicins and the one and only clavichord there are, both from Hauptwerk and Sonimusicae.

I gotta stop here 'cause I got out of the limits of your question ! ..but I told you 's gonna be a hard one... I can't choose... anyway.... the Silbermann..... 'cause can't have it (!!!?!!)

Cheers
Panos
 

Ntalikeris666

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Γειά σου Νικόλα και χρόνια πολλά ! (Hi Nicholas and best wishes -for Easter-)

You start a difficult - hard to die one here.

My favorite is any Silbermann Organ. Grosshartmannsdorf one of the best. I can't afford it (215euros!!!), so I try to enjoy it from time to time with 6sec stop sound feature !!!...

Next the 1699 Zlata Koruna...super sound(this to, as mini free super wet version with only 4 stops-8',4',21/2',2'- but I can play many of Pachelbell toccatas with full enjoyment)

As I full functional set I, like Graham also, use the Stiehr-Mockers in every incarnation,

The Brut-Leuchten witch is a very good organ, I use nowadays as my basic full two manual/pedal big organ in Hauptwerk's VSTi existence inside the Seib's VSTHost with convolution - impulse responce reverbs (I'll sent a new post here later on to how can one do this)

the Enigma wet(super), St.Stevens(lovely), St.Augustine's(good for chorale works with echo effects).

But there are two small (in real life also) organs that I use every day for practice , improvise and enjoyment : The small Prib positiv - its just superb - one can play with it all of Mozart's church sonatas, or Frescobaldi's & Praetorius works and
the fabulus Oosterwijwerd Muller with 49 keys manual and 13 note pedal and 8 stops, added the keys noise, blower motor and church clock... what can I say, it's a special gift to all of us who can't get to a real organ everyday.

I also use with much injoyment all of the harpsichords, clavicins and the one and only clavichord there are, both from Hauptwerk and Sonimusicae.

I gotta stop here 'cause I got out of the limits of your question ! ..but I told you 's gonna be a hard one... I can't choose... anyway.... the Silbermann..... 'cause can't have it (!!!?!!)

Cheers
Panos

Χρόνια πολλά επίσης Πάνο!

Thanks a lot for sharing with us your opinion ;-)

Yea i am aware of the existence of some of these organs and indeed they sound great, but still they are pricey!

Best wishes,
Nicholas
 

Dorsetmike

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One of the things I'm doing when adding stops is extending the range on some from 48 or 56 to 61 notes using Wavosaur, seems to do the job OK, except that when lowering a note its time is extrended, an octave down (from 048-C to 036-C) extends the duration of the note to 9 seconds, I've noticed that some sample sets have longer note samples than others (and consequently larger file size) is there an ideal, or a maximum and minimum.

I can easily reduce the length using Audacity without introducing any unwanted clicks or other noises, so what is the ideal tp aim for? Audacity allows me to display a very stretched waveform such that I can see just a few cycles spread over the full screen width, it is then easy to select and mark zero crossing points, and as the waveform is a single note I can select a virtually identical point further through the waveform. I then delete everything between the 2 marks, check the waveform has been cut at the correct point, play back if all is OK, save.
 

Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
I am very fond of the Caen sample set to which there also comes some *extras* like a 32' Bombarde........among other things.
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
More favorite HW Organ

Hi again Nicolas ! Greetings to all friends here !

I dowloaded yesterday the St.Carlo in Brescia Italian organ of 1600 ...

I knew that Italian organs are famus for their principale(8') stops.
This one is simply superb ! Comes split in two stops covering about 2 oct each (bassi/soprani).

The standard multi version (there is the original also) has an extended manual (56keys,C1~G5) and an extended pedalboard (20notes C1~G2) and 8 stops. It souds very clear and strong, sometimes like a Silbermann and has also included the church's acoustics and other sounds from the console.

It became one of my favorites imidiately ! (now I can play Frescobalbi in His era acoustics...)
Give it a try and tell me if I'm wrong about it....
Panos


P.S. The original version has something very strange to me, at least :

The lowest key on the manual is E1 witch is tuned as C1 !!! next : F1 is F1, F#1 is D1, G1 is G1, G#1 is E1. !!!!! Some similar things on the allready small compass (13) pedals.

IS this a feature of the original OR is something the providers of the set did ?
 

Ntalikeris666

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Hi again Nicolas ! Greetings to all friends here !

I dowloaded yesterday the St.Carlo in Brescia Italian organ of 1600 ...

I knew that Italian organs are famus for their principale(8') stops.
This one is simply superb ! Comes split in two stops covering about 2 oct each (bassi/soprani).

The standard multi version (there is the original also) has an extended manual (56keys,C1~G5) and an extended pedalboard (20notes C1~G2) and 8 stops. It souds very clear and strong, sometimes like a Silbermann and has also included the church's acoustics and other sounds from the console.

It became one of my favorites imidiately ! (now I can play Frescobalbi in His era acoustics...)
Give it a try and tell me if I'm wrong about it....
Panos


P.S. The original version has something very strange to me, at least :

The lowest key on the manual is E1 witch is tuned as C1 !!! next : F1 is F1, F#1 is D1, G1 is G1, G#1 is E1. !!!!! Some similar things on the allready small compass (13) pedals.

IS this a feature of the original OR is something the providers of the set did ?

Interesting!

Well italian organs have a very unique tone, and especially their mixture and principal stops.

Hmm, you mean that the last E1 sounded like a C1 because of the entire organ tuning (like if A was 495 Hz) lets say, or that after it there is an F lets say?

Regards,
Nicholas
 

Dorsetmike

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Panos, you should be able to get round that by renaming the files; it is also possible to shift the pitch of notes with Wavosaur or similar applications, although I'm having a few problems with altered notes not releasing correctly! (I've downloaded 3 freebie loop editors, let's hope something will work!)
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Hi Nick, Hi Mike !

Well I do not have to do some pitch shifting with this organ, 'cause as I said there is (in package) a standard one, witch is awsome .

Just said that the original presentation of it has this curious feature :
Lowest key(equal temperament) E1 - sounds C1, F1 - sounds F1, F#1 - sounds D1, G1 - sounds G1, G#1 - sounds E1, The rest ok.
Maybe they did it like this back in 1600 just to have three basic root keys C,D&E, but why?
Pedalboard has only one stop (contrabassi 16') and a coupler to manual footswitch, the original starts at E1 ~ G2. Maybe there's a connection for this.

Anyway the "thing" sounds great, loud and clear. I'm impressed that an instrument built in 1600 can sound like this : you can put a full stop multisound from it to a rock band playin' and send the Hammond B/C 3 out of business ....

Panos
 

Ntalikeris666

New member
Hi Nick, Hi Mike !

Well I do not have to do some pitch shifting with this organ, 'cause as I said there is (in package) a standard one, witch is awsome .

Just said that the original presentation of it has this curious feature :
Lowest key(equal temperament) E1 - sounds C1, F1 - sounds F1, F#1 - sounds D1, G1 - sounds G1, G#1 - sounds E1, The rest ok.
Maybe they did it like this back in 1600 just to have three basic root keys C,D&E, but why?
Pedalboard has only one stop (contrabassi 16') and a coupler to manual footswitch, the original starts at E1 ~ G2. Maybe there's a connection for this.

Anyway the "thing" sounds great, loud and clear. I'm impressed that an instrument built in 1600 can sound like this : you can put a full stop multisound from it to a rock band playin' and send the Hammond B/C 3 out of business ....

Panos

Interesting!

Well there are some instruments which for some reason have something special with the note C...

Lets say, that italian organ has a C as its lowest note.
Another good example is the Gabler Organ at Weingarten which has a 49 rank mixture called "La Force" which ONLY applies for the lowest C of the pedals! I am curious how it sounds like...

Nick
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Hi Nickolas!
Curious enough! Is it free/trial download ? or we have to pay just for investigating ?
Greetings
Panos
 

Ntalikeris666

New member
Hi Nickolas!
Curious enough! Is it free/trial download ? or we have to pay just for investigating ?
Greetings
Panos

Oh you mean the Gabler organ?

Unfortunately, there is not any sample sets around for this organ.
You can hear clips of it playing on youtube though.

BTW, another interesting thing on this organ is that the main organ division has 6666 pipes, and the Choir organ has 2222 pipes. A total of 8888 pipes!
 

lombardo

New member
Hi all!

I can explain the "E1 - sounds C1, F1 - sounds F1, F#1 - sounds D1, G1 - sounds G1, G#1 - sounds E1"

You have described the short octave ("oitava curta"). It was used on some ancient potuguese, spanish and italian organs.

As there was no music with C#1 and D#, the organ builders didn´t make those pipes. It was less expensive and organ players could make 10ths. It's a very interesting aspect on some of these organs.

It becomes very funny when you play a C scale or the c arpeggio.

Lombardo
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Hi all!

I can explain the "E1 - sounds C1, F1 - sounds F1, F#1 - sounds D1, G1 - sounds G1, G#1 - sounds E1"

You have described the short octave ("oitava curta"). It was used on some ancient potuguese, spanish and italian organs.

As there was no music with C#1 and D#, the organ builders didn´t make those pipes. It was less expensive and organ players could make 10ths. It's a very interesting aspect on some of these organs.

It becomes very funny when you play a C scale or the c arpeggio.

Lombardo

Hi Lombardo !
Better late than never, say in Greece, so your post solved my problem.
Blessed and thanks a lot and tripple cheers:cheers::cheers::cheers:
Panos:cool:
 

Pat17

New member
When I was looking for a large baroque instrument, I listened to quite a few demos on the various websites proposing the shorlisted competitors.

I eventually selected the Hinsz from Kampen's Bovenkerk, as I really fancy the Dutch sound. I finally managed to buy the 3 volumes - quite a hefty price in the end - but I do not regret it. This instrument is fantastic, especially as I also appreciate wet instruments. :)

I'm so happy with it I am not currently considering trying another one...
 
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